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Old 1st April 2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TheyNeverLearn View Post
well i always wondered when they count percentages do they take in consideration the other cards that were dealt out to other players and also do they take in consideration the burn cards also?
No, and you can't. You only count the cards you can see. If you're up against 8 people or 1 person... you're still only seeing 5 cards on the flop (2 in your hand and 3 on the board) and those are the only 5 you can remove from the 52 card deck when running the numbers.

Now, in the case of TV where they know all the cards that are out... that's a different matter and they can run numbers for a much smaller unknown deck. Or when you're heads up and can see the other person's card... then you can count them but the betting is over anyway at that point.

Burn cards are unknown, just like your opponent's cards, and can't be counted. A lot of people try and count odds by removing the number of cards from the deck that are out or are in the burn/discard pile. They assume that, because they can't draw those cards they don't effect the play, but as long as you haven't seen the cards... the cards in the discard or an opponent's hand may as well still be in the deck for all you know. If you assume odds for a 9 card flush draw against a 5 opponents as 9/37 and not 9/47 ... you're going to be finding out the hard way how badly that mistake in figuring your odds will hurt you.

The first shows a 3.1-1 chance against hitting, the second (and correct one) a 4.2-1 chance against. If you're drawing like you'll hit nearly 25% of the time and not 20%... it's going to catch up with you.
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