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Originally Posted by gamer4life27  In this case it is. Pre flop, it's still a coin flip. So he put himself into a position to see the whole board instead of checking on the flop and being forced to fold on the turn if no jack came off. He wasn't that big of an underdog.
And I think I didn't make myself clear. I ment to say: 'thats always a good thing with pocket pairs.' He wanted to see if he was ahead with that continuation bet, something a beginning poker player would do. But those with some experience would take into the fact of chip stacks, previous hands, and previous out comes. Basically your reads on the opponent and the stack size compared to the blinds. |
yes pre flop it's a coin flip, but if he pushes then AQ is pretty much forced to fold. JJ is certainly not a hand you want to see a flop with. I think when this guy has called 2 pre flop raises there's about an 80% chance he's got an ace, or i suppose he could be playing a medium pair badly. i still cannot agree with making a continuation bet here, it's just madness. you have to cut your losses and let it go when the ace comes. this is why pushing pre flop is the best idea.
when you say this,
"So he put himself into a position to see the whole board instead of checking on the flop and being forced to fold on the turn if no jack came off. He wasn't that big of an underdog."
it sounds like you're suggesting he check-calls the flop in hope of catching one of his TWO outs on the turn. surely you're not suggesting that are you? he wasn't that big of an underdog? if we assume the other guy has an ace, he's a 9-1 dog on the flop!
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Originally Posted by irishpkr Wow this hand is so ugly, and usually I'm a very opinionated person as some of you may already know :P I don't mean the play was ugly, just a really shitty spot to be in, the very reason I hate tournies :P I dunno if its possible to just shove preflop, I'm only a cash player so this sort of 30BB deep situation doesnt come up often, but we have the sort of hand where there is gonna be overs on the flop about half the time. This means we either have to just call preflop if we want to get away, or make a commiting (maybe allin?) reraise preflop. The more I look at it, the more I want to shove preflop - there was a caller in front, so we can look like we're squeezing when in reality we're not. Additionally there are a number of flops we're just gonna flat out hate, we're never gonna know how to act on an Axx or Kxx board if we reraise to 9k preflop say, we're gonna only have about a pot size bet left which sucks. I think I'd just shove preflop to try and get heads up with some guy that might call you with 99-TT, AJ+ maybe, with the dead money in the pot it can't be wrong IMO |
i agree, i think pushing is the right move. just calling is too passive, but it's better than making a tiny raise which is gonna get called and leave you committed.