To explain it a bit further

[irishpkr]

"I also play a wider variety of hands than you would imagine."

I could play 90% of my hands, and while this is certainly commendable for its bravery, its not so commendable for the reason that it will be -EV

"You have no idea how I play for certain."

You limp everything UTG, whether it be AQ or 97, which are both terrible in their own way
You think money gets the pot fastest when you check it down/let the opps draw for free - I'm sorry I just cant stop mentioning the slow play of the set on like the KQTss board, it was so horrible, you will never be able to convince me you are good if you can butcher that hand, sorry

[Krahsami]

You know what no matter what you guys keep looking at it from a yin point of perspective so it will never matter.

Anyway I was highlighting that all we do is wait for some one else to shoot. then we call usually at verry liitle risk to ourselves. That is the point not what hand it was where I was in position ect. My main move is call and check is what Im trying to say. until a yin pops his head up. Of course I play that way.
That's what im trying to say not the hand itself.

You guys are so bent up on the hands them selves when its not the hands. But the style I am highlighting. you don't have to like it. I didn't say do it even. I said it does exist. I know.

Oh and sorry i couldn't get more out of the pot all I did was check and call and every one bailed on me. Hmmmmmmmmmm go figure. ANd If I started playing the ways you guys say I might as well never started this thread anyway because I would be like you then a yin. But im not.

[irishpkr]

You can't say that only the style of play matters, not the hands, when in actuality, the two are inextricably linked - you play too passive a game, and get no value from big hands when you hit. The style doesnt look to maximise EV, and thus the way you play you hands will not maximise EV either, which defeats the purpose.

[Krahsami]

You get in as cheaply as you can waiting for ppl to shoot you, trying to take minimal loss while doing so ( if you raise you can be reraised) but your usually prepared to call a raise anyway. You want battlefield awareness. And just let Yins be Yins. They cant help themselves. All I do is stay camoflaged until the exact right time presents itself. 25$ min buy in. When you sit there doing nothing you can do it minimally at little risk until you know what the battle looks like. I never said any style matters I respect everyones. Im jsut saying this style exist also and it's not as crazy as it seems.

Table #10898017 - Great Keppel Island
Starting Hand #542224311
Start time of hand: 09 Oct 2008 16:27:20
Last Hand #542222772
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: RING
Money Type: REAL MONEY
Blinds are now $0.25/$0.50
Button is at seat 3
Seat 1: Marzern - $49.34
Seat 2: TaniaM - $40.67
Seat 3: Stewart83 - $28.45
Seat 4: waylay - $51.52
Seat 5: Elfeneko - $72.38
Seat 6: Ferdinand76 - $29.76
Seat 8: slycc - $56.90
Seat 10: mrbejam - $91.42
Moving Button to seat 4
Elfeneko posts small blind ($0.25)
Ferdinand76 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Td Th] to waylay
slycc calls $0.50
mrbejam calls $0.50
Marzern folds
TaniaM folds
Stewart83 folds
waylay calls $0.50
Elfeneko raises to $3
mrbejam practices his ten chip shuffle.
Ferdinand76 folds
slycc calls $3
mrbejam calls $3
waylay calls $3
Dealing Flop [7c Ad Ts]
Elfeneko bets $12.50
slycc folds
mrbejam raises to $37.50
waylay raises to $48.52 (all-in)
Elfeneko raises to $69.38 (all-in)
mrbejam calls $69.38
waylay shows [Td Th]
Elfeneko shows [Kd Ah]
mrbejam shows [Kc As]
Dealing Turn [2s]
Dealing River [8c]
Taking Rake of $3 from pot 1
Elfeneko has One Pair: Aces
mrbejam has One Pair: Aces
Elfeneko ties side pot #1, and wins $20.86 with: One Pair: Aces
mrbejam ties side pot #1, and wins $20.86 with: One Pair: Aces
waylay has Three of a Kind: 10s
waylay wins $155.06 with: Three of a Kind: 10s
Seat 1: Marzern - $49.34
Seat 2: TaniaM - $40.67
Seat 3: Stewart83 - $28.45
Seat 4: waylay - $155.06
Seat 5: Elfeneko - $20.86
Seat 6: Ferdinand76 - $29.26
Seat 8: slycc - $53.90
Seat 10: mrbejam - $39.90
End Of Hand #542224311

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by Krahsami You get in as cheaply as you can waiting for ppl to shoot you, trying to take minimal loss while doing so ( if you raise you can be reraised) but your usually prepared to call a raise anyway. You want battlefield awareness. And just let Yins be Yins. They cant help themselves. All I do is stay camoflaged until the exact right time presents itself. 25$ min buy in. When you sit there doing nothing you can do it minimally at little risk until you know what the battle looks like. I never said any style matters I respect everyones. Im jsut saying this style exist also and it's not as crazy as it seems. Table #10898017 - Great Keppel Island Starting Hand #542224311 Start time of hand: 09 Oct 2008 16:27:20 Last Hand #542222772 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: RING Money Type: REAL MONEY Blinds are now $0.25/$0.50 Button is at seat 3 Seat 1: Marzern - $49.34 Seat 2: TaniaM - $40.67 Seat 3: Stewart83 - $28.45 Seat 4: waylay - $51.52 Seat 5: Elfeneko - $72.38 Seat 6: Ferdinand76 - $29.76 Seat 8: slycc - $56.90 Seat 10: mrbejam - $91.42 Moving Button to seat 4 Elfeneko posts small blind ($0.25) Ferdinand76 posts big blind ($0.50) Shuffling Deck Dealing Cards Dealing [Td Th] to waylay slycc calls $0.50 mrbejam calls $0.50 Marzern folds TaniaM folds Stewart83 folds waylay calls $0.50 Elfeneko raises to $3 mrbejam practices his ten chip shuffle. Ferdinand76 folds slycc calls $3 mrbejam calls $3 waylay calls $3 Dealing Flop [7c Ad Ts] Elfeneko bets $12.50 slycc folds mrbejam raises to $37.50 waylay raises to $48.52 (all-in) Elfeneko raises to $69.38 (all-in) mrbejam calls $69.38 waylay shows [Td Th] Elfeneko shows [Kd Ah] mrbejam shows [Kc As] Dealing Turn [2s] Dealing River [8c] Taking Rake of $3 from pot 1 Elfeneko has One Pair: Aces mrbejam has One Pair: Aces Elfeneko ties side pot #1, and wins $20.86 with: One Pair: Aces mrbejam ties side pot #1, and wins $20.86 with: One Pair: Aces waylay has Three of a Kind: 10s waylay wins $155.06 with: Three of a Kind: 10s Seat 1: Marzern - $49.34 Seat 2: TaniaM - $40.67 Seat 3: Stewart83 - $28.45 Seat 4: waylay - $155.06 Seat 5: Elfeneko - $20.86 Seat 6: Ferdinand76 - $29.26 Seat 8: slycc - $53.90 Seat 10: mrbejam - $39.90 End Of Hand #542224311

Please just convert the hand. Oh and btw is just simply a cooler, you hit a set, they hit TPTK, anyone can flop this, why did you think this was worthy of posting?!?

[shipit1time]

if i see one more retarded ass battlefield sniper reference i'm going to blow my brains out. you are terrible dude the reason why no one has talked about it in books is because it is outrageous it just looks like you don't know how to play poker. if someone just keeps checking and calling everything guess what, you stop betting unless you have a big hand. holy SHIT how did i decode this sector 7 level genius act of a poker GOD.

ps send my medal in the mail. thank you.

[Krahsami]

You guys just dont get it. I already told you theres no use arguing. it balances. I think the funniest one I heard so far is I don't know how to switch gears. LMAO. You weak minded fools. I didn't capatilize fools because believe you are actually my frineds even though you do bash me. It's ok. Don't hate the player hate the game. You see I realize even more so how important it is to be in a secound gear. You notice I didn't say switch gears. Because that s what you guys do. I don't. I am in that gear. Don't you get it. You guys are usually in that gear for a reason your short stacked ect. I choose to be there. I choose to play this way on purpose so I can experience it fully 100%
experience what it is truly like to play this way always so I can fully understand it even more so than you can. Because I always do it now and you only do it when your forced. Well Ive seen alot of things lately I would never have seen if I didn't experience it 100% fully. You see you are my friends and I will tell you this. I am doing this because I am your friend. I want to impart this knowledge upon you not to harm you but to inform you. I can be a yin very easily and now its starting to become very easy to be a Yang for me also. So that means I can be both at will basically effectively. now after this is done if I can hang in the middle somewhere I think there just might be balance. The only way to understand something is to either experience it or at the very least think about it.

And you really even still don't get it. I am accomplishing what I need as your friend anyway. I am making you think about it. obviously because your giving feed back to me even though it is negative. don't matter to me. because I know you thought about it before you typed it. So now your thinking about it and I've at least done my job as a friend I informed you.

Oh and if Im so crazy how come it's being so consistant. theres money to be made using both styles. Just how fluent in that style are you is the Question now. See to understand something you have to simplify it which is what I have tried to do for you using a sniper analagoy for you and yet you guys seem to not even be able to grasp that. It's ok though at least your thinking about it. Then you have to THINK about. Not just THINK. THINK harder and harder and longer longer and longer. See the more you think about something the more you will learn something. If you stop thinking about something you don't get to see what is beyound the level that you were thinking about. Now if you keep thinking about it you might even encounter that level let alone the one above. If you stop thinking about it your going to miss out on everything you hadn't thought about bbecause yopu stopped. Now if you experience it fully then you have no choice but to think about it. But when you switch gears now you are not switching gears you are that gear. 100% fully.


Oh and by the way its not a cooler a YAng wouldn't have bet like those yins did. he might have called yes but he wouldn't have bet. DUH. and No it wasn't a cooler it was precise. It is what I had been waiting so patiently to achieve. Minimal risk at minaml loss. Let's see a Yin limp 10 10 on the button knowing that a raise can thwart minimal loss friend. The yang was already prepared to call 3 $ though. thats why he is there. But he wasn't prepared to call 50 $ if he pushes all in after you raise the button to 3$ so you can't raise the button 3$ so you don't have to call maybe 50. Battlefield awareness Is what you need most. In that Hand I was actually worried about maybe possible AA raise preflop even. Why ? hmmmm. Oh yeah I actually did think about it. You let him be the agressor at minimal loss until you have battle field awareness. then you more certain as how to proceed. Already told you this. I said you wait for this. Your patient. You let Yins be yins at minimal risk or you you run. Cooler LMAO. no friend. Precision at minmal risk after battlefield awareness. I already knew He might rasie So I didn't therby being able to see the hand at a Price I don't mind paying I achieved what I want by doing NOTHING. Do you not see it. OMG THINK ABOUT IT. HAOW THE HELL CAN YOU PLAY A STYLE DOING NOTHING. Because it is 100% different than DOING SOMETHING. Minimal loss. But I know you guys don't play or think like that in that gear right. WELL FRIGGING START PLEASE.

Heres a super freeby piece of advice honest. What ever you want to do in life the I will tell you if you think about it and think and think and think and think and think even more . your going to see things that you didn't see the first time you thought that. And you more than likely will achieve what you wantted.

[Phildavies]

Basically your "revolutionary" playing style is timid and passive...No preflop aggression, hope to hit a big hand and get lucky enough to get paid off. In the hand you posted earlier your pocket 10's might as well be pocket twos. The way you play the hand you need to make a set in order to get paid off. To the good player the 10s have much more value as they will be played in a style that would force out players with speculative hands (ones that the 10s would be vulnerable to). I would absolutely love to play at a table with a player like you, especially heads up...

[usmc622]

you should learn the term low balling it will help you tremendously

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by Krahsami Oh and by the way its not a cooler a YAng wouldn't have bet like those yins did. he might have called yes but he wouldn't have bet. DUH. and No it wasn't a cooler it was precise.

I think you'll find that AK vs TT on a KTx board IS in fact a cooler You both hit monster hands in a raised pot, its not surprise the money goes in --> cooler

[HeyKidMove]

In the TT hand did you even put them on any sort of hand or did you just finally raise because there already money in the pot? And I don't see how changing gears is a bad thing. You're making fun of it in the posts, but that's what a good poker player is supposed to do. You have to play different against different opponents. Against a "sniper" all you have to do is slow down when they call. How can you make money against a thinking player when you're hardly ever calling? Your opponent is going to make more money all the times you fold to make up for the one time that you call or actually show some aggression. Then a thinking player will know to draw cheap against you and jam the pot with big hands because if you call you're probably going to pay him off.

[Krahsami]

I got battlefield awareness at minimal loss b4 I fired. Im camoflauged. Exactly what I have said. I did NOTHING I REPEAT NOTHING AND I REPEAT AGAIN NOTHING until then there by achieveing minimal Loss. It's so simple a child can see it with that example and yet you guys argue. precision at minimal loss and risk because I did nothing Im in there waiting for some one to fire at me. . But oK its a cooler if you want to see it that way. I know how I played it and I Know it's what I waited so patiently for a kill shot at little risk. OMG you guys seriously don't get it your still thinking another style. The whole point to playing like this is to learn the true ways of playing like this not just because Im forced to play like this becasue of some sort of blind scenario. I play like this every day now all the time so I can experience it full. And I know youu can make $ playing both styles now. where as you still don't. It's not that what I said don't make sense its different than the way you think is all. It's not a prob I can understand. But I am obviously doing something right if I am going deep with that style and making my bankroll grow then there has to be something there right. I cant be that crazy and have results like this SORRY . So I was at a dilema and I went to a friend that knows I have played for a very very long time and doesn't think I'm a crack pot. He also knows me as a friend and I asked him what he thought. And he gave me the perfect asnswer to give to you guys. He said he didn't think I was crazy but would have to try it out first before he actually gave me an opinnion. Well I know I have tried it out and can give my opinion/ What you think Ive explained how to sit there and wait for it for 2 weeks and that this is some sort of fluke cooler. Sorry no way I sat there for days and days playing the same risking minimal and getting battlefield awareness. I check and call usually until I have the shot. Its easy look at all my moves Check and call untill I have a shot. OMG ive been saying that since start. You can confuse someone simply by calling and checking. Now me playing any other way than that kinda defeats the purpose now doesn't it? duh. Im not going to play any other way because my whole move is calling and checking until I have a kill shot.

[frob23]

Man, as your friend, I am telling you this is a terrible way to play.

I'm not trying to pick on you or make you feel bad but you could improve a lot by just abandoning this pipe-dream and finding a real style of play.

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by frob23 Man, as your friend, I am telling you this is a terrible way to play. I'm not trying to pick on you or make you feel bad but you could improve a lot by just abandoning this pipe-dream and finding a real style of play.

This is probably the simplest way to sum up the last 3 pages, but I don't think it will hit home, I'm just not seeing the stupid battlefield reference here

[Krahsami]

I understand fully that $ is to made both ways. As I said when I'm done i'll hang in the middle honestly. I know you have played me b4 frob. plz don't tell me you think I am a donkey.

I have now experienced it to the FULL degree honest and made some $ doing it. I am not playing like this forever of course. But now I truly know how to play like this. And have always known how to play aggressive

WAHOOO just made first time deposit bonus free 275 $ so with that since last month i'm at 1222.79 for investing 275 playing .25/.50 tops. I like it.
I cant be that crazy placing so deep in BIG tournies and making money honest, there has to be something to it. I saw it. And honestly all I did was play something I never tried before and I tried lots of things.

[Krahsami]

You can make final talbes too

another premium free roll 567 ppl free masters ticket another free roll worth good $ to top 3 ppl.

I pushed the blinds thinking i Was ahead was bad timing for sure.

Table #10954139 - Tournament #7098318 Table #52
Starting Hand #544734641
Start time of hand: 12 Oct 2008 00:32:08
Last Hand #544733739
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $5,000/$10,000
Button is at seat 3
Seat 2: AndyBlackwell - $252,992
Seat 3: waylay - $188,715
Seat 9: mikesilverfox - $238,693
Moving Button to seat 3
AndyBlackwell posts ante of $1,000
waylay posts ante of $1,000
mikesilverfox posts ante of $1,000
mikesilverfox posts small blind ($5,000)
AndyBlackwell posts big blind ($10,000)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Kc Tc] to waylay
IcePlay: andskotans
waylay raises to $187,715 (all-in)
mikesilverfox folds
AndyBlackwell calls $187,715
AndyBlackwell shows [Ac As]
waylay shows [Kc Tc]
Dealing Flop [Js 3h Ts]
Dealing Turn [2s]
Dealing River [7d]
waylay has One Pair: 10s
AndyBlackwell has One Pair: Aces
AndyBlackwell wins $383,430 with: One Pair: Aces
Seat 2: AndyBlackwell - $447,707
Seat 3: waylay - $0
Seat 9: mikesilverfox - $232,693
End Of Hand #544734641

And chewed through 1600 ppl in another free roll so far, last 130 ppl left. I still got a chip an a chair though. You might think im crazy but the statistics are backing it up

[irishpkr]

What do you want us to learn from that hand?!

[dew12109]

Key words to why this playing style works with what you play... "Free Roll"

Honestly, I just don't understand why this analogy is still being played out.

[Krahsami]

that there is not one direct route to the final table. I have been told more than once that I could never make the final table playing the way I do. Well i have consistantly placed in prize $. and made a couple fnal tables already playing like this and burned very rarely. So I guess there has to be something. You don't show consistancy and proven stats. Ih and as for freeroll honest
just because it's a freeroll doesn't mean everyone there has no skill. Also I have been playing ring games playing like this for a month with almost 4 X bankroll jump in a month. So obviously you can make final tables and you can make $.

And im quite sure you dont understand why this is till being played out if you couldn't see that

[frob23]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.