To explain it a bit further

[Krahsami]

Ok this took me an extremely long time to come up with and edit so I hope it helps you understand more. It's a bit long so and will talk about things Ive already said.


OK fold points are incredibly valuable, The thing about being a sniper is that the average soldier is afraid of you. that's the way you want it. You want him to know. Most people will not show there cards. A sniper will 75% of the time. Why? Because he wants to let them know theres a sniper on the battle field number one and foremost. (its the oppisite of yin you want to show) you want to put that fear in there mind. No one plays like that right? WRONG.The best part about this is that yins will start showing you there hands every once in awhile also.

You just encountered it and never knew it existed is all. When you can confuse some one simply by checking or calling you have reached the oppisite of confusing some one by raising. Nasty eh. EXACTLY. by doing nothing at all you have put uncertainty in his mind and possibly set up a trap or a time to use fold points. Or run. You know what though your $ is worth more so if it's 1 $ from a yin its worth 1.50 from a yang if you know hes a yang. It's not
perfect, Your going to loose too by blow back. Blow back is when you think you got in best but didn't. Usually out drawn or out flopped or unlucky. It's going to happen and can't be avoided as a YIN or a YANG.


So far I have lost the most $ using this style making a bad read and of course getting unlucky. So I am looking at that area now to see what I can do to minimize this error I think I have found the problem though. (Damn yin thinking in me). The thing about being a sniper is it's extremely hard. You have to do everything oppiste of what your normally used to doing. An extreme challenge I assure you. But it is all based on respect. Respect is not bought it's earned. through blood sweat and alot of tears.

Now im going to tell you a story about AK. extremely problesome hand. I have seen more ppl go out on this hand than any other. Why? because 22 is a coin flip to ya. Now how would you like to have all your money in preflop with 22? Against AK maybe ok. AK AQ is the snipers number one ally. You limp with it as a sniper. why beacuse Yins raise Aces and Yangs don't. bacause when it comes to a show down and he shows A 10 and you show AK and all you did was call him PPL notice a snipers out there. The other way is to limp with it get some raising you and go into full blown commitment mode. Full blown commitment mode is basically pushing it all in and yes GAMBLING without proper battlefield awareness. You think your best or at least the risk is minimal. Now case in hand. I was at the last

Horse PTOW touney. I'm small blind eventually a raise comes out. Being a sniper I flat call KK to get battlefield awareness now. (im camoflaged) Jack high flop (perfect no ace). Sniper does what a sniper does and checks. comes back to raiser. raises, Sniper min raise back, raiser call. Next card jack.Outta position after figuring the math Sniper goes full blown commitment. Gambling. Call from raiser.raiser shows QJ. Snipers dead. But im pretty sure he was respected. And even though he went out behind, he didn't do it with a dog type hand. Now believe it or not the sniper thought he was even better with another jack hitting, Why ? because it decreases the odds that the other person can have a jack in his hand by 33.3%. It also increases his hand value to other possible hands that could have beaten him now. He also has a higher 2 pair. Even though it was unlikey the raiser has those other cards. the sniper's hand is more powerful than it was at flop, in a reverse sort way and the odds the other person has that card have decreased. So he used full blown commitment. he died.He does not think the raiser raised with a weaker type hand like AJ or QJ. The sniper made the wrong read and got
unlucky. It's going to happen. Blowback. Nothing is certain.


You want them to know. Funny eh? RESPECT POINTS AND FOLD POINTS will accomplish this. RESPECT POINTS are earned when you do the nasty to them. when you make em scared. you do this by showing hands, Or being so passive against an aggressor with a way better hand that you make it ALIEN to them. You want them to know there soldiers and your zoomed in on them with minimal risk and exposure. You want them to be unsure of you.Why? Because this is alien to them. Unatural. out of the ordinary so they are unsure as to how to react. Youve made them uncertain. Your main mission as a sniper is to stay hidden until the right time presents itself ( USE CAMOFLAUGE). Now think about precision. Now war has changed alot because of precision. Precision is where it is at. being able to hit exactly one time the first time is where it is now a days instead of carpet bombing the whole
area, This is going to scare the enemy even more when they know the other side only needs one not 20. Thats why they send special forces behind enemy lines. Because they know there valuable there and they always send a sniper no matter what. why? because he has an extended view of the battle field. He can ZOOM in. and soldiers are scared of him. You will respect a sniper no matter what and that I will swear on. Why because you now he can kill you in one shot not 2. you have no choice but respect that because if you don't, it could get ya killed.

Patience is an ALLY to the sniper. It is what makes a sniper a sniper. The oppisite of playing alot of hands is not playing alot of hands. Now even if you were not a sniper, If you don't play alot of hands your going to get respect. Now if you are a sniper your going to get even more. Because ppl are unsure as to how to proceed next usually because there in an alien enviroment that makes them uncomfortable, Playing Yang as I said is extremely hard, and still has areas that I am working on and figuring out the bugs. You see I play yang then sometimes kick into a yin mode by accident in the middle of a yang style assault. Why because I'm a NEWBIE YANG.

I have not been a yang for a long time, But only a few short weeks. The other thing is I have no master to ask questions to. I have no one to show me the way, no book to read. I have to stumble and pick myself up afterwards. AS I said I thought about it even more last night. I have been trying to be a yang but can not kick my Yin habbits. I need discipline. See the thing about AK is even IF you hit your A and have been waiting. Top pair in yin and YANG and a good kicker is going to make $ or give you blow back. Because both styles might have a tendicy to overplay it. But A Yang can take minimal damage over it as compared to maximum. See the oppisite of thinking you have the best hand is thinking well what other hands can beat your hand. Now you add the variables into the math. Variables are variables for a reason. Because there unpredictable. Adding a variable to the math can have many differnt final results.

I cant find the hand but remember it well. I got felted. Im sure any Yin would have to.
I have AQ I limp like always gets raised 5X blind I call and another caller. ( I'm the limpiest limper that ever limped now honest.) so flop comes suits dont matter anyway Q 2 7 I check, first caller bets 5X blind , raiser calls, Sniper fires min raise to 10X, first caller doubles it to 20 X. Raiser folds.This guy knows I'm a sniper and still fired at me Hmmmm?.SNiper kicks into minmal loss Somethings up mode flat call. turn Ace. Sniper does what a sniper does best check. First caller is all in covering the sniper. Well after even more battle field awareness Sniper thinks the risk might be worth it. CAll, rivers a brick, first caller shows 22 for set. Sniper does what a sniper usually does and shows his hand also. He shows AQ. The sniper got killed yes. But he died being a sniper. And even though a soldier SHOT him, he still respected the sniper as a foe. He went out as a dog maybe. But he didn't do it with a dog hand. Now I achieved minimal damage even though I lost it all. Why Because I didn't push all my $ in behind. I called all my money in behind. I bought respect. Some one asked me about me checking my KK and being super priced in with an overpair when I beat AA and why I would do that in a post before I never answered it really but this might explain it. Because I figured I was behind. I knew I was was going to call if he pushed me in. But I called behind then and didn't push behind. To me theres more respect attached when you play smart. I assure you even though I got lucky and beat his AA he respected my call more than if I had pushed it in. with the exact same hand. I got respect for the way I played the hand. Not the hand I had.

How many people do you respect when they limp in? How many you respect if they check afterwards? Probably NONE right. Do you know any snipers? So if you played a ring game and encountered one, it would be alien to you then right? Now eventually your going to figure out hes a sniper. Why because he shows you he is. Or your going to see alot of PPL betting aces go down to him because they didn't get lucky and hit aces up, and he always outkicks them. Why? because they played A8 suited and he doesn't even think about playing that hand usually. Why? because you can experience blow back with AQ just as easily as A8 when your a dog to AK. Playing hands like A8 are just going to waste ammo, and more than likely give you blowback. Playing hands like that would not make him a sniper. People wouldn't think he was a sniper than.

Even with AK does not make it a kill shot. Because if you think about possible hands that can actually beat you, (the oppsisite of YIN) you want to take minimal loss and not make maximum profit. In everything you do in life you usually have to pay to get something in return. Well being a sniper has to be bought also. You do this by NOT MAXIMIZING. You want to scare ppl so you do it by taking them out of there normal enviroment You pay for it. By minimizing your damages your buying a snipers badge and putting most other ppl in an alien enviroment because they've never experienced it before to THIS DEGREE, maybe a bit here and a bit there but not FULL BLOWN OPPISITE. A snipers badge is worth every penny you spent. It will let you encounter minimal loss which is not making money but saving money. If a snipers out there people don't like to fire. And if they do they usually don't fire as much. You save $ by the amount of money you don't have to call. Most ppl will fire if they got a good hand. But if they got a good hand but have uncertainty they will have a tendency to not fire as much 2$ instead of 4$ basically. Why because they also have a little YANG in them also even though there a yin. And when they know there behind or unsure they kick into minimal loss mode. And in almost every case youll find where people who encounter a sniper knowing it's a sniper they revert to that mode. Youve achieved minimal loss and created uncertainty simply by being in the hand doing nothing at all.

All you did was not have to take as many risks to achieve it. You didn't win as much but you didn't lose alot either in anycase. You did gain experience (WHICH I STILL DESPERATELY NEED FOR YANG STYLE) and made a little profit also. EVEN when you have some of your worst days in poker being a yang, You usually did so minimally.But one good day can make up for 5 bad days easily because you only have to make minimal back.

You see the other thing about being a YANG is that words like risk, hope , chase are not there as much they are but not as much. oppisite words start poping up like certain, for sure, More than likely ahead, Killshot. And usually you need only fear words like Unlucky or outdrawn, or outflopped but so do YINS.


Passive defense. To be passive is the oppisite. You won't maxzimize but you will minimize.
You won't just scare ppl, YOU"LL TERRORIZE them. They will RESPECT a sniper, and be unsure as to how to proceed. Why because you showed them. they saw it. If you dont respect a sniper you can get killed, So you have no choice. It's so reverse playing style that you litterally do everthing exactly different which is still extremely hard for me to even grasp, let alone them form some sort of defence to it. It is why I came up with it. I needed a solid tactic to combat aggressive people. All I did was look to the ages and open my mind up.
Who would you respect more? the biggest pro in the world that is aggressive all the time. Or the total dead $ guy in the corner that hasn't played a hand in a hour when they both raise the same Amount? So now if that dead $ guy was a pro ( I don't think I'm a pro) that hasn't raised in an hour. What would you think then? It's the same at ring games basically. Being a sniper means your special forces. Once people know your special forces ( above average) then they take caution when dealing with you. Your achieving minimal loss simply by being there.

[Krahsami]

This was so big it wouldnt submit as one typed post


K I got some more examples and thats all they are so I can highlight how the style works. I tried ripping out what I could in way of garbage.

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THE LIMP. A snipers most powerful tool. He want battlefield awareness mosst of the time.
Now as I explained before just because you hit top pair does not mean your best.
The Yin in me got me in trouble above to a set of deuces. I wanted to maximize and not minimize. So as I said I have been thinking about the way I have been reverting to Yin thinking and forced myself to not think like that.

Moving Button to seat 9
funkysly posts small blind ($0.25)
capumos posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Kd Ad] to waylay
Tunk78 folds
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 calls $0.50
Prosper83 calls $0.50
machielangelo calls $0.50
standuptime raises to $2.50
2020fox folds
funkysly folds
capumos folds
waylay raises to $24 (all-in) >>>>>> full blown commitment
winnie14803 folds
Prosper83 folds
machielangelo folds
standuptime calls $24
waylay shows [Kd Ad] >>>>>>> when a sniper limps doesn't mean you can steal from him
standuptime shows [Js As]
Dealing Flop [2s 3d 8h]
Dealing Turn [Td]
Dealing River [Ts]
Taking Rake of $2.51 from pot 1
waylay has One Pair: 10s
waylay wins $47.74 with: One Pair: 10s

Usually if your a sniper and your even out there on the battle field at all, your prepared to deal with aggressors should the need arise.


Moving Button to seat 7
TonyS82 posts small blind ($0.25)
CalleFia posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Qd Ah] to waylay
Tunk78 calls $0.50
MFLeonheart folds
machielangelo folds
MrJTB folds
waylay calls $0.50
Palmenkeks calls $0.50
Celwyddog folds
TonyS82 calls $0.50
CalleFia checks
Dealing Flop [Tc Jd Kc]
TonyS82 checks
CalleFia checks
Tunk78 checks
waylay checks
Palmenkeks checks
Dealing Turn [4s]
TonyS82 bets $0.50
CalleFia folds
Tunk78 calls $0.50
waylay calls $0.50
Palmenkeks folds
Dealing River [7c]
TonyS82 checks
Tunk78 checks
waylay bets $1
TonyS82 folds
Tunk78 folds
Taking Rake of $0.20 from pot 1
waylay shows [Qd Ah] >show em your a sniper
waylay has Straight, Ace high
waylay wins $3.80

Even though a club shows up, them not betting tells you your best hopefully. Bet for value.


Moving Button to seat 5
fecklessrogue posts small blind ($0.25)
AMG66 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Ks Ac] to waylay
waylay calls $0.50
databoy folds
mpalac77 folds
mashupsoldier folds
somecallmejoe folds
hjager folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
MisterZ calls $0.50
fecklessrogue calls $0.50
AMG66 checks
Dealing Flop [Kh 9h 3s]
fecklessrogue checks
AMG66 checks
waylay checks
machielangelo checks
MisterZ checks
Dealing Turn [2d]
fecklessrogue checks
AMG66 checks
waylay bets $2
machielangelo calls $2 >>> bet for value BUT called a sniper X 3 people somethings up
MisterZ folds
fecklessrogue calls $2
AMG66 calls $2
Dealing River [5c]
fecklessrogue checks
AMG66 checks
waylay checks >>> Minimal loss
machielangelo checks
Taking Rake of $0.52 from pot 1
waylay shows [Ks Ac] >>> shows your a sniper but don't take extreme risks just to maximize
waylay has One Pair: Kings
machielangelo mucks
fecklessrogue mucks
AMG66 mucks
waylay wins $9.98 with: One Pair: Kings

Your prepared to call in any case here. Youv'e shown your a sniper, Your saying dont mess with a sniper.


Moving Button to seat 4
weetam67 posts small blind ($0.10)
0zange posts big blind ($0.25)
lechawi posts $0.25
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Qc Ad] to waylay
MARKELSO folds
betoxxx folds
waylay calls $0.25
Cash2000 folds
cobylang folds
Sondio folds
lechawi checks
talon420 folds
weetam67 raises to $0.75
0zange folds
waylay calls $0.75
lechawi folds
Dealing Flop [As Ts 2c]
weetam67 bets $0.25
waylay calls $0.25
Dealing Turn [Qs]
weetam67 checks
waylay bets $2
weetam67 folds and shows [XX 5s]
Taking Rake of $0.12 from pot 1
waylay shows [Qc Ad] >>>>>> Show em your a sniper that you always limp with big hands, dont mess.
waylay has Two Pairs: Aces, Queens
waylay wins $2.38



This example is perfect example of PURE YANG. No maximum gain but minimal loss at minimal risk. while Proving don't mess with a sniper. Thus ensuring uncertainty in all at the table.

Moving Button to seat 1
Sondio posts small blind ($0.10)
talon420 posts big blind ($0.25)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [As Kh] to waylay
weetam67 folds
0zange folds
MARKELSO calls $0.25
betoxxx calls $0.25
waylay calls $0.25
Cash2000 folds
cobylang folds
Sondio calls $0.25
talon420 checks
Dealing Flop [4h 6c Ah]
Sondio checks
talon420 checks
MARKELSO bets $1
betoxxx folds
waylay calls $1
Sondio folds
talon420 folds
Dealing Turn [9h]
MARKELSO bets $1
waylay calls $1
Dealing River [5c]
MARKELSO bets $2
waylay calls $2
Taking Rake of $0.46 from pot 1
MARKELSO shows [Ac Th]
MARKELSO has One Pair: Aces
waylay shows [As Kh] >>>>>> don't mess with a sniper
waylay has One Pair: Aces
waylay wins $8.79 with: One Pair: Aces


You didn't make as much as you could have honestly. But you didn't risk alot if you were wrong. And what you bought can not be bought. It has to be earned.

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THE FLAT CALL. As I said if your a sniper ppl run when you fire. So you have to get other ppl to fire for you. Now if they havn't made their hand and some one calls there continuation raise they will be uncertain. When a sniper flat calls there raise it makes them moreso. Usually there little Yang side will kick in.


Moving Button to seat 4
Essential posts small blind ($0.25)
waylay posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Th Qc] to waylay
hujung88888 folds
oniwaban calls $0.50
spartiaths folds
petbro calls $0.50
CooraX calls $0.50
pjfabbri calls $0.50
Hermit911 folds
tourcoing calls $0.50
Essential calls $0.50
waylay checks
Dealing Flop [6s 8h Tc]
Essential checks
spartiaths: by luck
waylay checks
oniwaban checks
petbro checks
CooraX checks
pjfabbri checks
tourcoing bets $2
Essential folds
waylay calls $2
oniwaban calls $2
petbro folds
CooraX calls $2
pjfabbri folds
Dealing Turn [3s]
waylay checks
oniwaban checks
CooraX checks
tourcoing bets $4 >>>>>>AGGRESSOR
waylay calls $4
oniwaban calls $3.66 (all-in)
CooraX calls $4
Dealing River [8d]
waylay bets $2>>> minimal loss Since Im a sniper I dont want to cal 8 so I bet 2 for value and also to create uncertainty When a Sniper shoots ppl get scared
CooraX folds
tourcoing calls $2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yang mode kicks in
Taking Rake of $1.55 from pot 1
waylay shows [Th Qc]
waylay has Two Pairs: 10s, 8s
tourcoing mucks
waylay wins $5.02 from side pot #1 with: Two Pairs: 10s, 8s
oniwaban shows [7s Kc]
oniwaban has One Pair: 8s
waylay wins $24.59 with: Two Pairs: 10s, 8s

Moving Button to seat 5
Celwyddog posts small blind ($0.25)
PokerrPro posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [9c 9s] to waylay
gabrielomar calls $0.50
kvnpoker20 calls $0.50
MFLeonheart calls $0.50
machielangelo calls $0.50
MrJTB folds
waylay calls $0.50
Celwyddog calls $0.50
PokerrPro checks
Dealing Flop [4c 6c 9d]
Celwyddog checks
PokerrPro checks
gabrielomar checks
kvnpoker20 checks
MFLeonheart checks
machielangelo checks
waylay checks
Dealing Turn [8d]
Celwyddog checks
PokerrPro checks
gabrielomar checks
kvnpoker20 bets $1.50
MFLeonheart folds
machielangelo folds
waylay calls $1.50
Celwyddog folds
PokerrPro folds
gabrielomar folds
Dealing River [Qc]
kvnpoker20 bets $4
waylay calls $4
Taking Rake of $0.72 from pot 1
kvnpoker20 shows [Jd 7d]
kvnpoker20 has High Card: Queen
waylay shows [9c 9s]
waylay has Three of a Kind: 9s
waylay wins $13.78 with: Three of a Kind: 9s

This is why ppl are afraid of snipers flat calling you must SHOW them you ARE PATIENT and don't risk alot and that your a sniper.


Moving Button to seat 3
machielangelo posts small blind ($0.25)
clint70 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Ad Ac] to waylay
Valley83 calls $0.50
ArtanisV raises to $2.50
waylay calls $2.50
databoy folds
K1NGPKR folds
Clarka calls $2.50
frigo49300joso10 folds
me109 folds
machielangelo calls $2.50
clint70 folds
Valley83 calls $2.50
Dealing Flop [Qc 7d 6s]
machielangelo checks
Valley83 checks
ArtanisV bets $12.03 (all-in)
waylay calls $12.03 >>>>> shooting will only scare everyone away.
Clarka folds
machielangelo folds
Valley83 folds
ArtanisV shows [As Qs]
waylay shows [Ad Ac] >>>>> your a sniper. dont mess with a sniper
Dealing Turn [Jc]
Dealing River [3s]
Taking Rake of $1.85 from pot 1
ArtanisV has One Pair: Queens
waylay has One Pair: Aces
waylay wins $35.21 with: One Pair: Aces

Seeing a flop is your best chance. When 3 outta 5 cards are now showing you have a better idea what the battlefield looks like. It's 60% right in front of you. Until then Using minimal loss is best because your not risking alot and your camoflauged.

Moving Button to seat 7
waylay posts small blind ($0.25)
databoy posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Qh Qc] to waylay
K1NGPKR calls $0.50
Clarka calls $0.50
frigo49300joso10 folds
me109 folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
clint70 folds
Valley83 raises to $3.50
AMG66 folds
waylay calls $3.50 >>> Minimal loss. When you raise you can be reraised. I want battlefield awareness first. (make sure an A or K don't flop)
databoy folds
K1NGPKR calls $3.50
Clarka calls $3.50
machielangelo folds
Dealing Flop [7c 6d 4c]
waylay checks
K1NGPKR checks
Clarka checks
Valley83 bets $10
waylay calls $10
K1NGPKR folds
Clarka folds
Dealing Turn [Tc]
waylay checks
Valley83 checks>>>>>>> Yang mode kicks in He knows I'm a sniper
Dealing River [Jd] >>>> now after battle field awareness I feel its worth the risk to shoot. Why because he didn't and Im even more certain I'm ahead
waylay bets $35
Valley83 folds
Taking Rake of $1.75 from pot 1
waylay shows [Qh Qc] >>>> show em your a sniper and were patient. Don't mess with a sniper.
waylay has One Pair: Queens
waylay wins $33.25

You see I didn't know if I was up against KK or AA. Until the riv Jack. I would have had to call maybe if he did I got unlucky. But by flat calling him I got more info and made him uncertain while achieving minimal loss. You know why? because he was there for a while and saw half my hands. He knew I was special forces. It's up to you if you want to fire at a sniper honestly. You really might regret it though. He knew that. I knew he knew that also. So all I did was call him mostly. and check. which is what he sees me do all the time. I did nothing until I had COMPLETE BATTLEFIELD AWARENESS ( 5 cards down and the way betting happend in PROGRESION OF BATTLE). I capped these for a reason because they are different phases I havn't explained.

[Krahsami]

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DEALING WITH A SNIPER. Camoflauge is a snipers ally. It makes him unpredictable (hard to put on a hand), So when most ppl know a sniper is out there they revert to there Yang side a bit usually. Now there on your battlefield, where you want them. You will encounter minimal loss simply by doing nothing. PPL are afraid to fire because there uncertain, and you've done what you always do call or check. You will see something you don't see alot. Alot of checking (no one firing) more than likely. Why because there on a YANG battlefield. The rules of engagement differ here. They know they are on your battlefield and are uncertain. The other thing you will see is ppl start running if you simply enter a pot or call some one elses raise or bet yourself. Snipers RARELY get reraised, so if you do you better kick into minimal loss mode, and look at the board again. But hes giving you alot of info just by doing that. he's willing to risk it or he has a BIGGER gun. It is so sick the hands I folded honestly. But reverse logic is not easy. If your going to do it you do it FULL you dont maximize you minimize, you dont chase you wait for the kill shot,
you don't spend your AMMO hoping. You spend it TRAPPING. YOU SHOW THEM YOUR A SNIPER. why because your not afraid to hide and your SPECIAL FORCES. the only way to combat a style is to play an oppisite style. Now go find an aggressive person it wont be hard. I did not think this theory up I only opend my mind and applied it to poker.


Moving Button to seat 9
funkysly posts small blind ($0.25)
capumos posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [9h Th] to waylay
Tunk78 folds
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 calls $0.50
dragkrok folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
geijstedt folds
2020fox folds
funkysly calls $0.50
capumos checks
Dealing Flop [Ts Jh 4c]
funkysly checks
capumos checks
waylay checks
winnie14803 checks
machielangelo checks
Dealing Turn [8s]
funkysly bets $1
capumos folds
waylay calls $1
winnie14803 folds
machielangelo calls $1
Dealing River [Js]
funkysly checks >>>>> reverts to YANG
waylay checks
machielangelo checks
Taking Rake of $0.27 from pot 1
funkysly shows [7h Tc]
funkysly has Two Pairs: Jacks, 10s
waylay shows [9h Th]
waylay has Two Pairs: Jacks, 10s
machielangelo mucks
waylay wins $5.23 with: Two Pairs: Jacks, 10s


Moving Button to seat 2
waylay posts small blind ($0.25)
winnie14803 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Ts Td] to waylay
dragkrok folds
champ2912 calls $0.50
machielangelo calls $0.50
geijstedt folds
2020fox folds
funkysly calls $0.50
capumos calls $0.50
Tunk78 folds
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 folds
Dealing Flop [Qc 8s 7d]
waylay checks
champ2912 checks
machielangelo checks
funkysly checks
capumos checks
Dealing Turn [3d]
waylay checks
champ2912 checks
machielangelo checks
funkysly checks
capumos checks
Dealing River [5d]
waylay checks
champ2912 checks
machielangelo checks
funkysly checks
capumos checks
Taking Rake of $0.15 from pot 1
waylay shows [Ts Td]
waylay has One Pair: 10s
champ2912 mucks
machielangelo mucks
funkysly mucks
capumos mucks
waylay wins $2.85 with: One Pair: 10s



Moving Button to seat 7
waylay posts small blind ($0.25)
databoy posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Jc 9c] to waylay
K1NGPKR calls $0.50
Clarka folds
frigo49300joso10 folds
me109 calls $0.50
machielangelo calls $0.50
clint70 calls $0.50
Valley83 folds
waylay calls $0.50
databoy checks
Dealing Flop [Td 5d 9h]
waylay checks
databoy checks
K1NGPKR checks
me109 checks
machielangelo checks
clint70 checks
Dealing Turn [Qh]
waylay bets $0.50 . A yangs bet is worth alot Honest. When you bet you create uncertainty. If your prepared to call .50 why not bet it. You achieve minimal loss because you really didn't want to call a 1 $ bet.
databoy calls $0.50
K1NGPKR calls $0.50
me109 folds
machielangelo folds
clint70 folds
Dealing River [Qc]
waylay checks
databoy checks
K1NGPKR checks
Taking Rake of $0.22 from pot 1
waylay shows [Jc 9c]
waylay has Two Pairs: Queens, 9s
databoy shows [Ts 3h]
databoy has Two Pairs: Queens, 10s
K1NGPKR mucks
databoy wins $4.28 with: Two Pairs: Queens, 10s


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AMMO conservation. This applies to ring games or tournament is a simple concept. If you don't risk it you can't lose it. Now throwing hands away is simple. run away fight another day. You can use what you got left to fight again
later at a more stategic time.


Moving Button to seat 2
waylay posts small blind ($0.25)
winnie14803 posts big blind ($0.50)
champ2912 posts $0.50
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Jc Qh] to waylay
dragkrok folds
champ2912 checks
machielangelo calls $0.50
geijstedt calls $0.50
2020fox folds
funkysly folds
capumos folds
Tunk78 folds
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 checks
Dealing Flop [As 3d Qc]
waylay checks
winnie14803 checks
champ2912 bets $1
machielangelo folds
geijstedt folds
waylay folds
winnie14803 calls $1
Dealing Turn [8d]
winnie14803 checks
champ2912 bets $2
winnie14803 calls $2
Dealing River [2c]
winnie14803 checks
champ2912 bets $2
winnie14803 calls $2
Taking Rake of $0.62 from pot 1
champ2912 shows [9c Ah]
champ2912 has One Pair: Aces
winnie14803 mucks
champ2912 wins $11.88 with: One Pair: Aces


Moving Button to seat 9
GhostBear posts small blind ($0.25)
TAMU79 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Qc Ad] to waylay
aLittleProphet folds
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 calls $0.50
dragkrok calls $0.50
champ2912 folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
2020fox folds
GhostBear folds
TAMU79 checks
Dealing Flop [6c 2c 2h]
TAMU79 checks
waylay checks
winnie14803 checks
dragkrok bets $2
machielangelo calls $2
TAMU79 folds
waylay folds
winnie14803 folds
Dealing Turn [4h]
dragkrok bets $2
machielangelo raises to $4
dragkrok raises to $12
machielangelo calls $12
Dealing River [6h]
dragkrok bets $8
machielangelo calls $8
dragkrok shows [4c 4d]
dragkrok has Full House, 4s over 6s
machielangelo mucks
dragkrok wins $44.42 with: Full House, 4s over 6s

Foldin a hand to a raise allows you to play that hand again later for a better board hopefully. It enforces your image a Sniper.


Hearing words like chase maybe possibly doesn't sound appealing to me. Why not just fold not get involved and play that hand again later for less money and a better flop hopefully?

Moving Button to seat 3
winnie14803 posts small blind ($0.25)
dragkrok posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [7h Th] to waylay
champ2912 calls $0.50
machielangelo calls $0.50
geijstedt folds
2020fox folds
funkysly calls $0.50
capumos folds
Tunk78 calls $0.50
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 calls $0.50
dragkrok checks
Dealing Flop [Ah 2h 3s]
winnie14803 checks
dragkrok checks
champ2912 checks
machielangelo checks
funkysly checks
Tunk78 checks
waylay checks
Dealing Turn [6c]
winnie14803 checks
dragkrok bets $1.50
champ2912 calls $1.50
machielangelo calls $1.50
funkysly folds
Tunk78 folds
waylay folds
winnie14803 calls $1.50
Dealing River [7c]
winnie14803 checks
dragkrok bets $3
champ2912 folds
machielangelo folds
winnie14803 calls $3
Taking Rake of $0.77 from pot 1
dragkrok shows [5d 4c]
dragkrok has Straight, 7 high
winnie14803 mucks
dragkrok wins $14.73 with: Straight, 7 high



chasing involves you further and decreases your ammo. Play later again at a more strategic time It's simple concept.


Moving Button to seat 4
dragkrok posts small blind ($0.25)
champ2912 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Ac Tc] to waylay
machielangelo raises to $1
geijstedt folds
2020fox raises to $3
funkysly folds
capumos folds
Tunk78 folds
waylay folds
winnie14803 folds
dragkrok calls $3
champ2912 calls $3
machielangelo calls $3
Dealing Flop [7h 9c 5s]
dragkrok checks
champ2912 checks
machielangelo bets $0.50
2020fox raises to $4.50
dragkrok calls $4.50
champ2912 calls $4.50
machielangelo folds
Dealing Turn [2d]
dragkrok bets $11.73 (all-in)
champ2912 folds
2020fox calls $11.73
dragkrok shows [6s 6h]
2020fox shows [Kd Ks]
Dealing River [2c]
Taking Rake of $2.47 from pot 1
dragkrok has Two Pairs: 6s, 2s
2020fox has Two Pairs: Kings, 2s
2020fox wins $46.99 with: Two Pairs: Kings, 2s

Not getting involved will simply do that. Leave you uninvolved. Thus saving your ammo.


Moving Button to seat 10
capumos posts small blind ($0.25)
Tunk78 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [9s 9c] to waylay
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 folds
dragkrok calls $0.50
champ2912 calls $0.50
machielangelo calls $0.50
geijstedt raises to $3.75
2020fox folds
funkysly folds
capumos folds
Tunk78 folds
waylay calls $3.75
dragkrok calls $3.75
champ2912 raises to $7
machielangelo folds
geijstedt raises to $20
waylay folds
dragkrok folds
champ2912 raises to $44.13 (all-in)
geijstedt calls $44.13
champ2912 shows [Ad As]
geijstedt shows [Kd Kc]
Dealing Flop [2h Ts 4s]
Dealing Turn [7d]
Dealing River [5s]
Taking Rake of $3 from pot 1
champ2912 has One Pair: Aces
champ2912 wins $94.01 with: One Pair: Aces

Some things are just an easy fold no matter what. Extreme example of not trying to maximize but minimize.



If your going to get involved drawing you want more than one draw not just a draw.

Moving Button to seat 1
machielangelo posts small blind ($0.25)
MrJTB posts big blind ($0.50)
kvnpoker20 posts $0.50
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Ts As] to waylay
waylay calls $0.50
Palmenkeks calls $0.50
Celwyddog folds
PokerrPro folds
kvnpoker20 checks
MFLeonheart folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
MrJTB folds
Dealing Flop [4s Qc 7h]
machielangelo folds
waylay checks
Palmenkeks checks
kvnpoker20 checks
Dealing Turn [Ks]
waylay checks
Palmenkeks checks
kvnpoker20 bets $1
waylay calls $1
Palmenkeks folds
Dealing River [Ah]
waylay checks
kvnpoker20 checks
Taking Rake of $0.22 from pot 1
kvnpoker20 shows [3d 4h]
kvnpoker20 has One Pair: 4s
waylay shows [Ts As]
waylay has One Pair: Aces
waylay wins $4.28 with: One Pair: Aces

Here you have a NUT flush draw, and str8 draw plus obviously an over. You dont just go chase flush draws you have more outs. And if your going to chase a flush draw try to make sure its not like 8 high or something.


================================================== ================================================== ===========
THE TRAP

Moving Button to seat 1
machielangelo posts small blind ($0.25)
MrJTB posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Js Ah] to waylay
AnimeUK folds
waylay calls $0.50
Palmenkeks folds
Celwyddog folds
CalleFia folds
Tunk78 folds
MFLeonheart folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
MrJTB checks
Dealing Flop [Jd 2s 4s]
machielangelo checks
MrJTB bets $1
waylay calls $1
machielangelo calls $1
Dealing Turn [Jh]
machielangelo checks
MrJTB checks
waylay bets $4.50
machielangelo folds
MrJTB folds
Taking Rake of $0.22 from pot 1
waylay shows [Js Ah]
waylay has Three of a Kind: Jacks
waylay wins $4.28


Moving Button to seat 7
2020fox posts small blind ($0.25)
waylay posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [4d 2h] to waylay
winnie14803 calls $0.50
dragkrok folds
champ2912 folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
2020fox folds
waylay checks
Dealing Flop [7d 2d 4h]
waylay checks
winnie14803 checks
machielangelo checks
Dealing Turn [Ks]
waylay checks
winnie14803 checks
machielangelo bets $2
waylay calls $2
winnie14803 calls $2
Dealing River [Jc]
waylay bets $2
winnie14803 folds
machielangelo calls $2
Taking Rake of $0.58 from pot 1
waylay shows [4d 2h]
waylay has Two Pairs: 4s, 2s
machielangelo mucks
waylay wins $11.17 with: Two Pairs: 4s, 2s


dragkrok posts small blind ($0.25)
champ2912 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Ts Qh] to waylay
machielangelo calls $0.50
geijstedt folds
2020fox folds
funkysly calls $0.50
Tunk78 folds
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 folds
dragkrok folds
champ2912 folds
Dealing Flop [Js 8c Qs]
machielangelo checks
funkysly checks
waylay bets $1
machielangelo calls $1
funkysly calls $1
Dealing Turn [6d]
machielangelo checks
funkysly checks
waylay bets $2
machielangelo calls $2
funkysly calls $2
Dealing River [Qc]
machielangelo checks
funkysly checks
waylay bets $3
machielangelo did not respond in time and is folded
machielangelo folds
funkysly folds
Taking Rake of $0.56 from pot 1
waylay shows [XX Qh]
waylay has Three of a Kind: Queens


Moving Button to seat 7
sondre41 posts small blind ($0.10)
waylay posts big blind ($0.25)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Kc Jc] to waylay
DrNobby calls $0.25
Buztie calls $0.25
ScipioAfricanus calls $0.25
Smaugtd folds
talon420 folds
aLittleProphet folds
irfanio786 folds
SilJoa folds
sondre41 calls $0.25
waylay checks
Dealing Flop [Ac 5s 2d]
sondre41 checks
waylay checks
DrNobby checks
Buztie checks
ScipioAfricanus checks
Dealing Turn [9c]
sondre41 checks
waylay checks
DrNobby checks
Buztie bets $0.25
ScipioAfricanus folds
sondre41 folds
waylay calls $0.25
DrNobby calls $0.25
Dealing River [7c]
waylay checks
DrNobby bets $0.85
Buztie calls $0.85
waylay raises to $2.55
DrNobby calls $2.55
Buztie calls $2.55
Taking Rake of $0.48 from pot 1
waylay shows [Kc Jc]
waylay has Flush, Ace high
DrNobby shows [7d 7s]
DrNobby has Three of a Kind: 7s
Buztie shows [Ah 5h]
Buztie has Two Pairs: Aces, 5s
waylay wins $9.17 with: Flush, Ace high



Moving Button to seat 7
betoxxx posts small blind ($0.10)
waylay posts big blind ($0.25)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Qh Td] to waylay
Cash2000 folds
cobylang folds
Sondio folds
lechawi folds
talon420 folds
weetam67 calls $0.25
0zange folds
betoxxx calls $0.25
waylay checks
Dealing Flop [9h Js 5c]
betoxxx checks
waylay checks
weetam67 bets $0.25
betoxxx folds
waylay calls $0.25
Dealing Turn [8c]
waylay checks
weetam67 bets $0.75
waylay raises to $1.50
weetam67 raises to $22 (all-in)
waylay calls $19.97 (all-in)
Returning $2.03 to weetam67 uncalled
weetam67 shows [Qc Th]
waylay shows [Qh Td]
Dealing River [4s]
Taking Rake of $2.05 from pot 1
weetam67 has Straight, Queen high
waylay has Straight, Queen high
weetam67 ties, and wins $19.57 with: Straight, Queen high
waylay ties, and wins $19.57 with: Straight, Queen high

Guess which person was scarier to the table here
================================================== ================================================== ===========
THE KILL SHOT.


Moving Button to seat 7
geijstedt posts small blind ($0.25)
2020fox posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [8h 8d] to waylay
funkysly calls $0.50
capumos folds
Tunk78 folds
waylay calls $0.50
winnie14803 folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
geijstedt folds
2020fox checks
Dealing Flop [Qs 5h 8c]
2020fox checks
funkysly checks
waylay checks
machielangelo bets $1.50
2020fox folds
funkysly folds
waylay raises to $4.50
machielangelo calls $4.50
Dealing Turn [8s]
waylay bets $5
machielangelo calls $5
Dealing River [Ah]
waylay bets $7
machielangelo folds
Taking Rake of $1.06 from pot 1
waylay shows [8h 8d]
waylay has Four of a kind: 8s
waylay wins $20.19

================================================== ================================================== ===========
THE FAKE

Moving Button to seat 6
Bravepitt posts small blind ($0.10)
Jackpockets posts big blind ($0.25)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [7c 9c] to waylay
waylay calls $0.25
Ebisu calls $0.25
Morph1 folds
lechawi folds
gbclaude folds
Soldbrain calls $0.25
Bravepitt raises to $1.25 >>>>>> this guy knows I'm a sniper and wants to make me run away again
Jackpockets folds
waylay calls $1.25 >>>>>> Oppps sniper actually called
Ebisu folds
Soldbrain folds
Dealing Flop [Ks As 4c]
Bravepitt checks >>>>>> reverts to YANG ( he's uncertain) Snipers always limp with AK AQ type hands.
waylay bets $0.75 >>>>>> minimal risk but a bet from a yang is worth more than one from a YIN
Bravepitt folds
Taking Rake of $0.16 from pot 1
waylay shows [7c 9c] >>>>>> Don't mess with a sniper or try to play him.
waylay has High Card: Ace
waylay wins $3.09

You may steal quite a few blinds off a sniper honest. But he'll be patient wait for the exact right time then SHOOT you.

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BLOW BACK it's going to happen.


Moving Button to seat 1
machielangelo posts small blind ($0.25)
MrJTB posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Jd Kd] to waylay
waylay calls $0.50
Palmenkeks folds
Celwyddog folds
TonyS82 folds
CalleFia folds
Tunk78 folds
MFLeonheart calls $0.50
machielangelo calls $0.50
MrJTB checks
Dealing Flop [Kc 3d 4c]
machielangelo checks
MrJTB checks
waylay checks
MFLeonheart checks
Dealing Turn [4d]
machielangelo checks
MrJTB checks
waylay bets $1.50
MFLeonheart folds
machielangelo calls $1.50
MrJTB folds
Dealing River [4s]
machielangelo bets $5
waylay calls $5
Taking Rake of $0.75 from pot 1
machielangelo shows [4h 8d]
machielangelo has Four of a kind: 4s
waylay shows [Jd Kd]
waylay has Full House, 4s over Kings
machielangelo wins $14.25 with: Four of a kind: 4s
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THE POT SHOT
designed to either get value (Build pot) and get ppl involved. Or test the water to see where you are.
It's a min bet basically. But what it does is create uncertainty because it came from a sniper. Usually done when he thinks he is ahead and is prepared to call a minimum bet anyway.

Moving Button to seat 3
AnimeUK posts small blind ($0.25)
waylay posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Jd Qd] to waylay
Palmenkeks folds
Celwyddog calls $0.50
CalleFia folds
Tunk78 folds
MFLeonheart folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
MrJTB folds
AnimeUK folds
waylay checks
Dealing Flop [Kd Jc 2s]
waylay checks
Celwyddog checks
machielangelo checks
Dealing Turn [4s]
waylay checks
Celwyddog checks
machielangelo checks
Dealing River [7h]
waylay bets $0.50
Celwyddog folds
machielangelo calls $0.50
Taking Rake of $0.13 from pot 1
waylay shows [Jd Qd]
waylay has One Pair: Jacks
machielangelo mucks
waylay wins $2.62 with: One Pair: Jacks
================================================== ================================================== =============

So you see when some one enters a pot by just calling, and you KNOW HE's a SNIPER, I'm pretty sure you might be a bit uncertain. What does he have? You got me he limped in like always Could bE AA or AK or 33. Now when You can also get that same respect by checking at the flop, Should you fire at the sniper? I don't know he checked again.
What if he flat calls me? then what? what If he fires back at me? you've created uncertainty by doing nothing.

As I said I have not got it all figured out yet. But I am noticing a real profit in my ring games lately. I did so at little risk usually, and with lots of respect.
I know you guys think I'm crazy and that im just to tight. I say I don't GAMBLE but PLAY but all I'm saying is THINK about it. when you think you learn more. Because I'm honestly sure I could NEVER EVER explain it better than that. maybe i'll get lucky and it will actually blow your minds.

When your a true sniper. Honestly if he knows it ( played with you before) it would not be strange to see him lay AK down with an A on board if you fire at him.

[dew12109]

I have thought about it, and I still think initially with escalating blinds, you can't be scared to make moves at pots during a SNG tournament. Ring games are different.

I'll have to read through everything else later... there is way too much to sort through here this early in the morning.

[irishpkr]

Post 1. Immediatelly, straight in with the:

'OK fold points are incredibly valuable' - OK there's a problem with this, or several. Firstly, most low stakes players, especially at full ring, they simply don't give a shit! They're not watching to see how often you fold, much less counting how many 'points' you have acquired. Secondly, there is no such thing as fold points - I dunno if its just some cutesy analogy, but seriously get the fold points thing a break.

'You know what though your $ is worth more so if it's 1 $ from a yin its worth 1.50 from a yang if you know hes a yang' - $1 is worth, let me check, $1 at all times, this is inane.

"bacause when it comes to a show down and he shows A 10 and you show AK and all you did was call him PPL notice a FISH out there" - FYP

"RESPECT POINTS blah blah blah" - once again, another figment of your imagination, even if they did exist, theres zero chance of knowing if your opponent is even paying attention

"Adding a variable to the math can have many differnt final results." - The irony being, in your posts so far, have used next to no maths at all

The AQ hand is a cooler I guess, but your thinking is laughable:
"SNiper kicks into minmal loss" - You're trying to pot control, with the pot being 60BB on the flop? LOL
"Now I achieved minimal damage even though I lost it all" - I have to assume English isnt your native tongue, for this is quite an oxymoron
"Because I didn't push all my $ in behind. I called all my money in behind" - Ah! To be a calling station is to be applauded...
"I assure you even though I got lucky and beat his AA he respected my call more than if I had pushed it in. with the exact same hand. I got respect for the way I played the hand. Not the hand I had." - This is 100000% not the case. Sorry.

"You do this by NOT MAXIMIZING" - Why didnt you just post this at the top of the post, as a bullshit-incoming warning/disclaimer? Really the whole post just comes down to 'Lets not make money'

"Passive defense..... YOU'LL TERRORIZE THEM" - Yes, I frequently piss myself when I see a tight passive on my right...(or left for that matter )

"Or the total dead $ guy in the corner that hasn't played a hand" - Oh you make this style sound so much fun, and oh-so profitable... /sarcasm

"I don't think I'm a pro" - +1

[irishpkr]

Post2.

AK hand: You rep AA/KK by limp reraising, yet still get called by AJo, thats RESPECT you simply can't buy xD Ugly line anyway

AQ hand: I was just eating my breakfast when I read this hand for the first time, and I actually almost vomitted a little bit. Flop the nuts, on a 2 club board, and win a $4 pot, well played for sure /sarcasm

AK hand: You have TPTK, you get one street of value, simply terrible

AQ hand: The lesson we can take from this hand is: There is no lesson to be learnt from the most standard of postflop plays. You turn 2pair, something only a sniper could do, nh

AK hand: "You didn't make as much as you could have honestly" - now you've realised, you should probably not play that way

QT hand: Whatever

99 hand: So so gross! How can you play a set like that on such a wet board, beggars belief.

AA hand: Congratulations, you got to the flop 5way.
"your a sniper. dont mess with a sniper" - Again, only snipers get dealt pocket rockets...

QQ hand: This wasnt really that terrible, except for "now after battle field awareness I feel its worth the risk to shoot. Why because he didn't and Im even more certain I'm ahead" - This is known simply as the 'value bet'

"He knew I was special forces" - The odds of him knowing this are about the same odds of you knowing what colour underwear he was wearing at the time.

[irishpkr]

Post3.

T9 hand: Guess its OK - no wait, you limped UTG with T9, this is SO BAD

TT hand: Nice <6BB pot with the 5th best hand in holdem

J9: You're gonna be getting yourself in so many shitty spots when you limp hands like this. Btw you can save an extra 50c by simply check/folding the turn

"AMMO conservation. This applies to ring games " - regrettably no

QJ: Easy fold, but you made it so nh

AQ: Standard - this isnt even an example of being a 'sniper', its just an example of not playing with your head up your ass

T7: Turn is a call getting like 7:1 or something stupid

AT: This is SUPER STANDARD, why are you posting this?!?

99: Once again, fold every day of the week, twice on Sunday
"Some things are just an easy fold no matter what. Extreme example of not trying to maximize but minimize." - We're always trying to MAXIMISE our expected valuve (EV)

AJ (the trap) - This is actually what we call in the business, not a trap

42: Lead the flop, lead the turn, lead the river, I think you have a fear of winning money if this hand is anything to go by

I had to give up on the 'trap hands', as they werent actually played as a trap, and they were played terribly whatever way you look at it

KILL SHOT: Flop check raise is so horrible, gross gross gross. Just lead the flop your self, bet bet bet

FAKE: Limp/call pre is just utter wank, not even closing the action. He should bet that flop 95% of the time, but your bet was too small on the flop.

"reverts to YANG ( he's uncertain) Snipers always limp with AK AQ type hands." - You have to get this clear in your mind first: snipers do not exist in poker; he probably has no idea/care how you are playing; he is probably not putting you a range of hands anyway

"noticing a real profit in my ring games lately" - You limp/call a shitload, you're more passive than a rock, terrible thinking, add it all up and you have 'long term loss'

Ofcourse, even if this is a profitably way of playing, its not THE most profitably way. You simply have to look at the amount of money you win with your big hands, you win 20bb pots when you should have half your stack in there. You don't win big by sitting in a corner waiting, you do it by hitting big hands (TP+) and going for maximum value

[Phildavies]

I agree with Irish on everything, your style is far too passive to have a great deal of success. By playing this style you end up winning a small amount or losing a big amount by in essence trapping yourself (kk vs qj on a jj board for example). You end up losing tremendous value with your big hands....

[iceveins0901]

I just read half of the first post and then scrolled down to read the replies, I figured the replies would be more entertaining, and I must say I was right. I do like my standard tight aggressive style better, less suck outs, more controlling the action, I bet I get more respect points than a tight passive sniper.

[HeyKidMove]

I only skimmed a few of the hand histories and figured they would all be the same and read the replies, which I agree with. I think the main point is that you're trying to minimize losses. If you want to be a winning poker player, you need to be trying to maximize profit by making smart and correct decisions. ALWAYS limping your big hands is definitely not the way to do that. Unless it is very likely someone else will raise and you can come over the top, I don't see any point in limping your big hands, you're just losing value. Also, you should really stop showing hands, it gives too much information away without them having to pay. If your opponent wants to see your cards, make them pay for it.

[PointerJake]

I mean this in the nicest way possible, because I play Call of Duty too. But leave the Call of Duty stratiegies to Call of Duty, and poker stratigies to poker. Dont try and enter-weave them.

[frob23]

Almost all of these hands are meaningless without the stack sizes. And, again, they're unconverted so they're a pain to read anyway.

So... why should I spend my time wading through unconverted hand histories that have no meaning because the stack sizes are missing? You absolutely can't underestimate the importance of stack sizes in No-Limit poker. Something which is an obvious shove at one stack size can be an equally obvious fold at another... and maybe an equally obvious call at a third. By leaving the stack sizes out, you've intentionally tried to cripple any real discussion of the hands.

If these threads were a little bit more readable -- if the hands were converted and contained all the needed information -- these could easily be the most entertaining group of "How-To" threads on the forums. A bit like a new Bucklox... only more complicated and he seems to be serious.

[liladypokerpro]

Wow frob you read my mind I actually was thinking about that bucklox vid when reading thru this LOL

I think before we all jump on him for his way of thinking and playing style, we should first ask one very important question of him:

Krahsami - is he simply a recreational player, or does he intend to make a career from poker?

The answer to this question is very important because if he's simply a recreational player, then it really doesn't matter how he plays, or how much he makes, because it's his hobby and nothing more.

However, if he does intend to make a career from poker, then I would seriously suggest altering away from this style of thinking in order to be largely profitable / successful.

[Krahsami]

As soon as I started thinking like that at all the stylle collapses as highlighted when I talked about being felted with the AQ. You know why i was thinkinging making money and the styyle didnt work. If you do not surrender completely to that thinking it has no chance of working at all. It has to be total not partial. I am not saying agree with it honestly. Just think about it all. Because im encountering some of my best steady progressive increase weekly. Not always. Blow back happens. Jacks got me felted because saw the board and flat called Aces after seeing the board and jacks were overs. It's going to happen

You do have to gamble playing. But again you can do so more certainly. This is not so good style in tourney I agree. But then you shift gears. At ring games NO matter what limit you will see STEADY PROFIT usually which is little here and a little there but alot of littles equals alot eventually. When you can get alot of littles at very low risk you will see a profit for sure and it will be bigger than you think. Also when you try to maximize you risk. when you dont you minimize yes but did so at verry little risk. And you do get something. A snipers badge and uncertainty. In the stock market you can make more money taking more risk, Theres other's that won't make you as much but come at far less risk. You can still make $ though.

As for most of my hands look at it more. Almost everytime I either check or call. That is my MAIN move right there. THIS IS WHAT YOUR BUYING BY NOT MAXZIMIZING. CAMOFALUGE. THINK THINK THINK. How would you honestly go about dealing with someone like this yourself then. How would you combat him if you knew how he played because he shows you? It might honestly make you uncomfortable. WHY? because it's alien to you. You know what else? I know how to combat an aggressor honestly. I have my game plan all prepared no problem. I just have to work some bugs out.

I understand how you can't agree with this thinking. but thats only because it's 100% different from the way you normally think which is the whole exact precise point. the Idea is alien to you.

It's hard for me to even grasp. But I can still. Why because I've even experienced it. I grasp it because I kept trying to. It is real im not lying.

What sounds so crazy about being more certain, Doing so a minimally, at minimal risk generating respect and uncertainty by doing nothing. What sounds so crazy about that> I seen it at work. It may be alien to you honestly but it isn't crazy. When you can get complete battle field awareness minimally and have more certainty It gives you a way better opportunity to hit a kill shot minimally. If you get a kill shot you do all the yinning you want. but your certain.Also if you have no patience you might as well stop now for sure. Or be able to play like 7 tables at once multi tabling. Everything I wrote I wrote for a reason. Because it's not a figment of my imagination. Ive actually seen it Because I tried it. Oh and you know what in most cases most of these PPL did know I was a SNIPER. Why because I SHOWED THEM I WAS. That I was patient. they saw 50 other hands I played that you guys havn't. Because I SHOWED them. They knew. They also saw 150 I folded. I want them to know I'm SPECIAL FORCES. And it's up to you if you want to start firing knowing a sniper is out there waiting for some one to pop up. (PHYSCOLIGCAL WARFARE) Why do yins hide? Because there afraid of giving out betting patterns. I show because I have No Real betting pattern. Because I'm not afraid to hide when I shoot. If you give some one enough rope they will hang themselves. All I do is be patient and let yins be yins.

Oh and in the fake he Knew for sure. Because I've already shot him 5 times. I don't know what color his underware was honestly, But I can take a guess
at the color If I fired 10$ at him instead of 75 cents. He already knows what hands snipers limp with HE SAW IT lots of times. He saw the board and decided a yangs $ is worth alot.
In the way of profit I have turned original investmen from 275$ into 980$ in a playing .10/.25 and .25/.50 limits in 30 days roughly. Plus I get first time deposit any time now. But that 275 don't count. Yes I would like to make a it a
career if I could. I didn't say this works for sure, but if really does after my testing. I can write a book I bet.

If you risk alot I agree you can win alot you can also lose alot. Now usually you lose alot by risking or doing something stupid is why. By doing nothing you pretty much eliminate those happening and enforce your image as a sniper. So having to make up for what you lost is making you have to win more than you need to as a yin. THINK. Don't you see? No matter how much you argue about it, It does exist, and it does BALANCE out. I didn't think it I applied it to poker.


Blinds are now $0.25/$0.50
Button is at seat 10
Seat 1: gandlf12 - $30.90
Seat 2: waylay - $19.50
Seat 3: gollum0815 - $10.42
Seat 5: Nightmate - $29.07
Seat 7: TheSudaka - $74.91
Seat 8: buck50 - $6.75
Seat 9: ambola - $50.92
Seat 10: caropaul - $55.97
Moving Button to seat 1
waylay posts small blind ($0.25)
gollum0815 posts big blind ($0.50)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [6c 6s] to waylay
Nightmate folds
TheSudaka folds
buck50 calls $0.50
ambola folds
caropaul calls $0.50
gandlf12 calls $0.50
waylay calls $0.50
gollum0815 checks
Dealing Flop [6d Th 4d]
waylay checks
gollum0815 checks
buck50 checks
caropaul checks
gandlf12 checks
Dealing Turn [Jd]
waylay checks
gollum0815 checks
buck50 bets $1
caropaul raises to $3
gandlf12 folds
waylay calls $3
gollum0815 folds
buck50 folds
Dealing River [Qd]
waylay checks
caropaul checks
Taking Rake of $0.47 from pot 1
caropaul shows [9d 5d]
caropaul has Flush, Queen high
waylay shows [6c 6s]
waylay has Three of a Kind: 6s
caropaul wins $9.03 with: Flush, Queen high
Seat 1: gandlf12 - $30.40
Seat 2: waylay - $16
Seat 3: gollum0815 - $9.92
Seat 5: Night