.25/.5 and .5/1 no limit full 9 man tables do you play TAG or LAG??

[ungarstu132]

I enjoy playing .25/.5 and .5/1 no limit on stars and average profit about $30 per game with a buy in of $50 everytime. I play a relatively simple TAG game. TAG standing for tight aggressive.

My version of TAG=

early position (UTG to UTG+2)-any pocket pair 9 or better, AJ, AQ, AK, KQ, KJ, QJ

middle position (next 2 after UTG+2)-all of the above +66, 77, 88, AT, KT

late position (everbody left to the button)-all of the above +22, 33, 44, 55, A9, A8

These standards are probably a little looser than a pro's TAG, but thats how i play online.
I find my TAG style to make consistant money on .25/.5 and .5/1 nl tables on stars, but i also have seen many players that are LAG (loose aggressive) that will net a much larger profit per game, somewhere around $70 per game, and i have observed that they do it consistantly.

When you see these players play any two suited cards, and any connectors winning big pots, I just laugh and call them donks. But i believe they are making a ton of money. I have never tried risking it playing LAG because its just not my style.

Id like to see some of these opinions from everybody else:

-what style do you play at .25/.5 and .5/1?
-does your style work for you?
-do you profit in the long run?
-have you tried LAG?
-AND, would you rather play LAG with a greater risk with more reward, or TAG with less risk but less reward??

Thank you everybody for your responses!!

[liladypokerpro]

I don't typically play those particular limits very frequently, due to the fact that I like to keep my play pretty TAG, and I seem to notice more LAG play going on at these tables, hence why TAG is less rewarding (at least for me).

[HeyKidMove]

For me, I like to play TAG, but I mix it up occasionally. I like to try to trap and stack the players that I notice are playing overly LAG. I see these players with large stacks sometimes, but I think that there are going to be more times that a LAG player goes broke also. I think it all depends on your personality whether you can pull of playing LAG. You need to know when is a good time to bluff and be able to raise with a wider range of hands. I for one can't handle playing like that, so I stick to what I'm comfortable with which is playing a tighter game.

[liladypokerpro]

Same goes for me. I find it very easy to bluff those who are typically more passive, but in doing so I still always hold a good quality hand, just in case. I don't like to bluff too often, but at some tables it can be very profitable to do so if you find yourself heads-up with a very passive player.

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by liladypokerpro Same goes for me. I find it very easy to bluff those who are typically more passive, but in doing so I still always hold a good quality hand, just in case. I don't like to bluff too often, but at some tables it can be very profitable to do so if you find yourself heads-up with a very passive player.

this sounds similar to my style,

i also mix up my game ofcourse, you cant just play straight TAG or the catch on so ill play suited connecters once or twice an hour, but other than that, i mainly stick to TAG

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by HeyKidMove For me, I like to play TAG, but I mix it up occasionally. I like to try to trap and stack the players that I notice are playing overly LAG. I see these players with large stacks sometimes, but I think that there are going to be more times that a LAG player goes broke also. I think it all depends on your personality whether you can pull of playing LAG. You need to know when is a good time to bluff and be able to raise with a wider range of hands. I for one can't handle playing like that, so I stick to what I'm comfortable with which is playing a tighter game.

im just curious but when you play TAG, can you give me a run down of the hands you play in early, middle, and late position, id just like to compare them to my hand choices.

thanx

[ungarstu132]

If you play LAG, would you play any pocket pair, and two suited, and any high connectors?

[ZZZZZZZZZ]

Originally Posted by ungarstu132 If you play LAG, would you play any pocket pair, and two suited, and any high connectors?

LAG is nto really as good for limit as it is for NL, since at these stakes no one folds, I play 2/4 and 3/6 limit and it doesn't work there very well either. NL however if you have a good enough bankroll LAG is best to play, but the goal of LAG is basically to sells everyone on you being a LAG and then you get great action on you big hands. TAG will have to put up with getting AA and everyone folding often, but if you raise 3 hands in a row that might be enough to get a donk with 99, AT to justify staking of becasue in there head youa re an idiot. You need to adjust to the tabel and the players, but usually start with tag and work from there. Also limit profit is measured in bb/100 hands or BB/hour, you can not say my average profit is $30 it gives us no information. GET POKER TRACKER ----------> Profit.

[HeyKidMove]

In all honesty I don't really have a set list of hands that I play, I'll play any big ace, K-Q and such. I mainly stick to 6-max, so from any seat I'll usually come in for a raise with a strong hand.

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by ZZZZZZZZZ LAG is nto really as good for limit as it is for NL, since at these stakes no one folds, I play 2/4 and 3/6 limit and it doesn't work there very well either. NL however if you have a good enough bankroll LAG is best to play, but the goal of LAG is basically to sells everyone on you being a LAG and then you get great action on you big hands. TAG will have to put up with getting AA and everyone folding often, but if you raise 3 hands in a row that might be enough to get a donk with 99, AT to justify staking of becasue in there head youa re an idiot. You need to adjust to the tabel and the players, but usually start with tag and work from there. Also limit profit is measured in bb/100 hands or BB/hour, you can not say my average profit is $30 it gives us no information. GET POKER TRACKER ----------> Profit.

this is no limit, .25/.5 and .5/1 NO LIMIT

[rakmupagain]

I play full time, so many of the players at my tables are quite familiar with me. You always have to take into account your image to the other players, at all times, this may vary greatly as to how your playing because of the cards you've gotten as well.
When the situation is right, ( not too many players are familiar with me, and the table is very tight nitty). This seems to work well at full ring games better than SH games, but i try it at both if the situation is right. I sit down, post the blind out of position ( good players will notice this right off the bat, as only loose players do this), then I make sure i raise the first 5-6 hands, even reraising raisers preflop NO MATTER THE 2 CARDS IM HOLDING. THEN BET ON FLOP NO MATTER THE FLOP about 2/3 the pot. You have to be willing to spend a little to do this, as i snap called someone's short stack all in with j2o after he reraised my opening raise( it beat his 66 haha). Meanwhile everyone at the table is getting a hard on and writing notes about how bad you are. Then i switch it up, and play SEmi-TAG (24/16/2-3), what is funny is that you might play the next 100 hands rather tight but players will still hold on to their first impression. It is certainly much more fun to play like this too, as you watch even super tight rocks go on monkey tilt rather quickly, and repop your raises all in with midpairs, gotta love that.. Of course you have to be willing to gamble with less then stellar holdings like 1010, as your opponents will most likely slow play any larger pair against you preflop.
I wouldn't advise this on a very aggresive or loose table, but the full ring games at the level you speak are generally very tight, especially since our wonderful government ignorantly passed the UIEGA. Now, 90% of the players are grinding, and playing very tightly. Its also great to have so many people with notes on you that are completely wrong.

and GET POKER TRACKER, it pays for itself the first week. no matter your stakes. NO one makes "$30 a session, or $70 a session", if you start getting stats on players and yourself, you will have a better idea of how much you/they are actually making. It will improve you as a player if you are willing to use it to its abilities.
Another note, while im rambling on, the most misleading stat can be winnings/losses, unless you have 20k hands or so, it means nothing, as everyone has winning and losing streaks. For instance today I ran at 50bb/100 hands for 1k hands ( my best day in at least a month) , yesterday -20bb/100 for 1k hands, some months I break even while playing great, some months ive won alot while not playing great. You cant really focus on the results as much as the process if you want to make it. It takes about 100k hands to have a good picture of your win rate.
GOOD LUCK ON THE TABLES
And by the way, this isn't my name i use on my poker network, I wouldnt want to run into some1 that knows what im doin, lol.

[Jonathank]

can poker tracker be bootlegged?
do you have to pay the shareware fee? or can you go on using it illegally?
haven't downloaded it yet.
all it is going to tell me is that AA is a really good hand.
btw i've never had a down month and decieved myself into thinking i was playing well. to each his own.

good luck playing loose aggressve online. but if you are able to win over the long run, this style would account for your extreme flucuations.
tight aggressive smart players who manage their bank rolls properly should never have down months against average players. it's impossible. well almost impossible. no it's impossible.

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by rakmupagain I play full time, so many of the players at my tables are quite familiar with me. You always have to take into account your image to the other players, at all times, this may vary greatly as to how your playing because of the cards you've gotten as well. When the situation is right, ( not too many players are familiar with me, and the table is very tight nitty). This seems to work well at full ring games better than SH games, but i try it at both if the situation is right. I sit down, post the blind out of position ( good players will notice this right off the bat, as only loose players do this), then I make sure i raise the first 5-6 hands, even reraising raisers preflop NO MATTER THE 2 CARDS IM HOLDING. THEN BET ON FLOP NO MATTER THE FLOP about 2/3 the pot. You have to be willing to spend a little to do this, as i snap called someone's short stack all in with j2o after he reraised my opening raise( it beat his 66 haha). Meanwhile everyone at the table is getting a hard on and writing notes about how bad you are. Then i switch it up, and play SEmi-TAG (24/16/2-3), what is funny is that you might play the next 100 hands rather tight but players will still hold on to their first impression. It is certainly much more fun to play like this too, as you watch even super tight rocks go on monkey tilt rather quickly, and repop your raises all in with midpairs, gotta love that.. Of course you have to be willing to gamble with less then stellar holdings like 1010, as your opponents will most likely slow play any larger pair against you preflop. I wouldn't advise this on a very aggresive or loose table, but the full ring games at the level you speak are generally very tight, especially since our wonderful government ignorantly passed the UIEGA. Now, 90% of the players are grinding, and playing very tightly. Its also great to have so many people with notes on you that are completely wrong. and GET POKER TRACKER, it pays for itself the first week. no matter your stakes. NO one makes "$30 a session, or $70 a session", if you start getting stats on players and yourself, you will have a better idea of how much you/they are actually making. It will improve you as a player if you are willing to use it to its abilities. Another note, while im rambling on, the most misleading stat can be winnings/losses, unless you have 20k hands or so, it means nothing, as everyone has winning and losing streaks. For instance today I ran at 50bb/100 hands for 1k hands ( my best day in at least a month) , yesterday -20bb/100 for 1k hands, some months I break even while playing great, some months ive won alot while not playing great. You cant really focus on the results as much as the process if you want to make it. It takes about 100k hands to have a good picture of your win rate. GOOD LUCK ON THE TABLES And by the way, this isn't my name i use on my poker network, I wouldnt want to run into some1 that knows what im doin, lol.

thank you i really appriciate your response, how would i get poker track, and is it ALLOWED with pokerstars software?

[Fictive]

Yup, it's allowed.
These are the supported sites:

* Absolute Poker
(auto)
* CryptoLogic Network
sites like William Hill, InterPoker, Classic Poker and more - (auto)
* Everest Poker
(auto)
* Full Tilt Poker
(auto)
* iPoker Network
sites like Titan, CD Poker, Noble and more - (auto)
* Ladbrokes
(auto)
* Pacific Poker
(auto - with the use of Pacific Poker HandGrabber from IdleMiner)
* Party Poker
including affiliates Empire, Mulit-Poker, etc. - (auto)
* Poker Stars
(auto)
* Prima Network (Microgaming)
sites like Royal Vegas, The Gaming Club, 7 Sultans, bet365 and many, many more - (auto)
* Ultimate Bet
(auto - with the use of PokerAce HUD, GameTime+ or UltimateHistory)

Ring Games Only:

* B2B Network
(auto)
* Betfair
(auto)
* Bodog Poker
(auto - with the use of IdleMiner Bodog HandGrabber)
* IPN / Boss Media
(auto)
* PokerRoom / OnGame Network
(auto) - PokerRoom, Hollywood Poker, Eurobet and many, many more.
* Tain Network
(auto)
* Tribeca Tables Network
(auto)
* World Poker Exchange
(auto)

You can either get it from PokerTracker - Online Poker Tracking & Analysis Software Tool, or you can "bonuswhore" it as well, altough it only costs $55.

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by Fictive Yup, it's allowed. These are the supported sites: * Absolute Poker (auto) * CryptoLogic Network sites like William Hill, InterPoker, Classic Poker and more - (auto) * Everest Poker (auto) * Full Tilt Poker (auto) * iPoker Network sites like Titan, CD Poker, Noble and more - (auto) * Ladbrokes (auto) * Pacific Poker (auto - with the use of Pacific Poker HandGrabber from IdleMiner) * Party Poker including affiliates Empire, Mulit-Poker, etc. - (auto) * Poker Stars (auto) * Prima Network (Microgaming) sites like Royal Vegas, The Gaming Club, 7 Sultans, bet365 and many, many more - (auto) * Ultimate Bet (auto - with the use of PokerAce HUD, GameTime+ or UltimateHistory) Ring Games Only: * B2B Network (auto) * Betfair (auto) * Bodog Poker (auto - with the use of IdleMiner Bodog HandGrabber) * IPN / Boss Media (auto) * PokerRoom / OnGame Network (auto) - PokerRoom, Hollywood Poker, Eurobet and many, many more. * Tain Network (auto) * Tribeca Tables Network (auto) * World Poker Exchange (auto) You can either get it from PokerTracker - Online Poker Tracking & Analysis Software Tool, or you can "bonuswhore" it as well, altough it only costs $55.

thanx for this reply, but what i meant by is it allowed on pokerstars is, does poker stars allow it?? pokerstars has banned many poker softwares, is this one banned?

[Fictive]

Oh, I see. and the answer is yes, it is allowed. you have to remember that poker tracker itself is only a "stats-keeping" program. PokerAceHud is one that shows all the stats on top of the pokertable, and it is allowed as well. This isn't a program that tells you what to do, or gives you odds, it only shows yours and the other players stats from the sessions yuo have played with them.

You can see a bit about how it works from for example Youtube. Search there with words like PokerTracker or PokerAce Hud to see how it works in "action".

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by Fictive Oh, I see. and the answer is yes, it is allowed. you have to remember that poker tracker itself is only a "stats-keeping" program. PokerAceHud is one that shows all the stats on top of the pokertable, and it is allowed as well. This isn't a program that tells you what to do, or gives you odds, it only shows yours and the other players stats from the sessions yuo have played with them. You can see a bit about how it works from for example Youtube. Search there with words like PokerTracker or PokerAce Hud to see how it works in "action".

cool, thank you very much, i will try to get one of them shortly.

[iceveins0901]

Originally Posted by ungarstu132 cool, thank you very much, i will try to get one of them shortly.

Both of them are your best bet, with poker tracker compiling the stats and pokerace HUD putting the stats from the tracker on your poker table, they are very handy.

[ZZZZZZZZZ]

Originally Posted by Jonathank can poker tracker be bootlegged? do you have to pay the shareware fee? or can you go on using it illegally? haven't downloaded it yet. all it is going to tell me is that AA is a really good hand. btw i've never had a down month and decieved myself into thinking i was playing well. to each his own. good luck playing loose aggressve online. but if you are able to win over the long run, this style would account for your extreme flucuations. tight aggressive smart players who manage their bank rolls properly should never have down months against average players. it's impossible. well almost impossible. no it's impossible.

No poker tracker can not be bootlegged easily, stop being such a nit and pay for it. Show a little respect for the poker community and support the players who are helping you by making good software. it isnt microsoft where it is bad and overpriced, so you feel obligated to steal it. It is good, underpriced, works for all your computers and if you play alot will easily make you back the money in 1 day. If you were a winnign player giving $50 for the best piece of poker software available is nothing, Also almost everythign else in the above post is wrong. It tells you much more than AA is good, you are very very ill informed. Using a month as an arbitrary time frame and saying losing month is wrong too, you will however even the best players have long losing periods of time and yes they will play well during these tiems, it is called variance, and is a very important part of the game. It is definatly not immposiobl;e to have a losing month playing very good cards with good bankrooll managment, just cause somehting has not happened to you does not make it immpossible, it shopuld nto happen to everyone, but poker is a numbers game, so it iwll happen to some people. Most people who have these months actully do not play well, which is what I think you are implying. I agree with you however in the good luck playing LAG in a 9 max online ring game, that could be the reason for down months since that is a serious recipe for disaster and if I was goign to try to play this I would have minimum 100 buy ins to the game.

[liladypokerpro]

I agree - look at Daniel Negreanu! As good as he is, he's had a bad run for a good while now...