Did I Make The Right Play

[hollygirl]

Okay i been playing some 1/2 nl holdem at a casino for the last week. i was playing 8 handed for about 3 hours in seat 9. the guy in seat 8 was so odd he gave his play here are the details. the night before he lost 1k at 1/2 and now hes back and at my table.he raises pre 10$ bets 20$ on flop bets 30$ on turn then 45$ on the river every hand. a guy jus took him for a lil over 140$ with a pair of 4. he has been jus donkin off his money. so i am utg with 367$ i limp with 5 10 he makes it 10$ me and 2 other ppl call him. the flop comes 9 10 10 i check he makes it 20$ both players fold i call. the turn 2 i check he makes it 30$ i raise all in he calls. he rolls over k 10 so i ask did i make the right play or not.pplease tell an explain how i coulda played it different. and please dont say i shoulda never been in the pot with 5 10.

[liladypokerpro]

To give a simple answer, imho, no - I don't think that was the right play. I know not everyone's going to agree with me on this, but I just don't see the sense in shoving there when the pot wasn't even worth it.

[dew12109]

I'm going with no as well... depending on how much his stack was. First, I think you know you shouldn't have been in the pot with T5s UTG. That's an auto-fold generally. Secondly, shoving all in with $307 into a $110 pot is not going to get called with anything that your T5 could beat.
You could have played it differently (if you decided to LIMP into the pot UTG) by folding when you faced the raise. I don't know... trips look pretty good, but a shove all in was not the right play imo because of the pot size.

You said this guy bets this same line everytime, but you haven't said what he does when he faces a raise. I mean, just because he has a stupid betting pattern that is easily exploitable, doesn't mean he is a calling station. What hand do you hope calls a $307 total bet ($272 raise?) into a $110 pot? If he doesn't have anything, he's folding. If he's calling, there is a good chance he has you beat. I mean, why would you shove here, especially if he is going to bed the river by his specified defined amount. If you truly thought you were in the lead, what is the shove all-in on the turn accomplishing here?

[RAW_FORCE]

Originally Posted by dew12109 I'm going with no as well... depending on how much his stack was. First, I think you know you shouldn't have been in the pot with T5s UTG. That's an auto-fold generally. Secondly, shoving all in with $307 into a $110 pot is not going to get called with anything that your T5 could beat. You could have played it differently (if you decided to LIMP into the pot UTG) by folding when you faced the raise. I don't know... trips look pretty good, but a shove all in was not the right play imo because of the pot size. You said this guy bets this same line everytime, but you haven't said what he does when he faces a raise. I mean, just because he has a stupid betting pattern that is easily exploitable, doesn't mean he is a calling station. What hand do you hope calls a $307 total bet ($272 raise?) into a $110 pot? If he doesn't have anything, he's folding. If he's calling, there is a good chance he has you beat. I mean, why would you shove here, especially if he is going to bed the river by his specified defined amount. If you truly thought you were in the lead, what is the shove all-in on the turn accomplishing here?

This is about the best advice that can be given in this spot. You don't want to hear you shouldn't have been in the pot with 10-5s presumably because you already know.

By check raising such an incredibly large amount on the turn you have effectively turned your hand with loads and loads of showdown value into a bluff.

The flop isn't exactly dry so it's probably a good idea to raise him there and lead all dry turns. This gives you a chance at getting value from overpair and draws. I don't think I'm often folding 10-5 in this hand but this way you at least stand a chance at getting called down by worse.

[phaul]

K, I know you said don't say it, but I see so many things like this I'm gonna say it anyway. Tbh, the fact that you would even consider not auto-folding T5s shows a basic lack of understanding of what you're doing. I mean really, why did it even cross your mind to call there?

Shoving the turn is definitely not optimal. Even if you think he calls down to JJ it's marginal. You haven't really told us how he reacts to raises so it's impossible for us to say an optimal line, but turn is really bad. Flop is fine, you really want to pot-control this hand.

[bmx444]

Originally Posted by liladypokerpro To give a simple answer, imho, no - I don't think that was the right play. I know not everyone's going to agree with me on this, but I just don't see the sense in shoving there when the pot wasn't even worth it.

your mistake was being in the pot with 10-5suited

[frecklers]

Originally Posted by hollygirl Okay i been playing some 1/2 nl holdem at a casino for the last week. i was playing 8 handed for about 3 hours in seat 9. the guy in seat 8 was so odd he gave his play here are the details. the night before he lost 1k at 1/2 and now hes back and at my table.he raises pre 10$ bets 20$ on flop bets 30$ on turn then 45$ on the river every hand. a guy jus took him for a lil over 140$ with a pair of 4. he has been jus donkin off his money. so i am utg with 367$ i limp with 5 10 he makes it 10$ me and 2 other ppl call him. the flop comes 9 10 10 i check he makes it 20$ both players fold i call. the turn 2 i check he makes it 30$ i raise all in he calls. he rolls over k 10 so i ask did i make the right play or not.pplease tell an explain how i coulda played it different. and please dont say i shoulda never been in the pot with 5 10.

I am not quite sure why you make this statement, bearing in mind that this is probably the single biggest mistake you have made apart from perhaps the all in shove.

Your aim with this player should be to avoid him at all costs with your weak hands and be looking top enter pots where you feel more confident that you have the best starting hand. In effect by calling with 10 /5 you are negating any benefit you should be gaining when you enter a pot with this guy. (Incidentally you are in the worst possible position at the table and should have considered moving if that option became available.)

Not only that but there are other limpers to act after you pre flop, who you have dismissed completely? Is it not probable that they could be limping strong knowing he will take the initiative?

So In summary you enter a pot OOP against two opponents (assuming they only call his raise pre and don't shove and take your easy money) with a weak holding, because the guy in the BB always raises and bets out as described.

OK each to their own but IMO you cost yourself money the moment you called his raise.


As regards the shove

I have made this comment before, but in many respects your ALL IN bet is nothing more than a bluff and could just as well be made with 72 off for all the good it does. i.e. You are pretty much NEVER getting called unless you are beaten and so the shove has no value whatsoever other than to cost your stack when you are beat.

As for playing it different, You said yourself he bets $45 on EVERY river.....LET HIM BET his normal $45 before you push him off the pot. Then re-raise an amount that is likely to see a call from a possible weaker holding than your own. You could flat call depending on the board although I think you should be assuming you have the best hand IF he always bets the same way as you suggest.

[kingskash]

You did absolutely nothing wrong. And forget all of those comments about, "you should not have been in with 10 5 UTG." Thats a load of bull. It was just one of those poker situations that you are just not getting away from. Bad break. Dig into your wallet, and reload. The guy was a super fish it sounds like. And if you sit with him long enough, given a sizable enough bankroll to wait out the small % he wins, you should win that money back and then some.

[dew12109]

Originally Posted by kingskash You did absolutely nothing wrong. And forget all of those comments about, "you should not have been in with 10 5 UTG." Thats a load of bull. It was just one of those poker situations that you are just not getting away from. Bad break. Dig into your wallet, and reload. The guy was a super fish it sounds like. And if you sit with him long enough, given a sizable enough bankroll to wait out the small % he wins, you should win that money back and then some.

:::speechless:::

[travz21]

Originally Posted by kingskash You did absolutely nothing wrong. And forget all of those comments about, "you should not have been in with 10 5 UTG." Thats a load of bull. It was just one of those poker situations that you are just not getting away from. Bad break. Dig into your wallet, and reload. The guy was a super fish it sounds like. And if you sit with him long enough, given a sizable enough bankroll to wait out the small % he wins, you should win that money back and then some.

You're right. I'm always putting money into the pot UTG with T5s. It would be a missed opportunity to pass that up. Hahahahahaha...

Don't make it sound like, "If you play like a fish long enough, you'll eventually take the other fish's money."

Obviously, use some discipline and fold disgusting hands in disgusting positions.

But since I'm asked not to say that, I'll comment on the hand. Good flop call, even though you probably weren't trying to pot control. Good turn check, terrible turn push. Check/call the turn and most likely check/call the river, depending on what would have come. You are getting zero value pushing the turn, and you probably are getting little value by raising the river. Check it down and be happy with him reliably putting his money in the pot (like you took note on in previous hands). By playing this hand in this manner, if you are beat, you'll lose the minimum. If he's beat, you're usually getting the maximum anyways.

[frecklers]

Originally Posted by kingskash You did absolutely nothing wrong. And forget all of those comments about, "you should not have been in with 10 5 UTG." Thats a load of bull. It was just one of those poker situations that you are just not getting away from. Bad break. Dig into your wallet, and reload. The guy was a super fish it sounds like. And if you sit with him long enough, given a sizable enough bankroll to wait out the small % he wins, you should win that money back and then some.

One of those situations you just couldn't get away from ......... Unless of course you don't "forget all of those comments about, "you should not have been in with 10 5 UTG." " and perhaps take notice of them in future. OR don't shove all in when that play has no value.

How can you possibly suggest that making two fundamental mistakes in a single hand could ever be described as doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Just read this statement and try not to fall about laughing at the complete irony of it

"he has been jus donkin off his money. so i am utg with 367$ i limp with 5 10 "

[phaul]

Originally Posted by kingskash You did absolutely nothing wrong. And forget all of those comments about, "you should not have been in with 10 5 UTG." Thats a load of bull. It was just one of those poker situations that you are just not getting away from. Bad break. Dig into your wallet, and reload. The guy was a super fish it sounds like. And if you sit with him long enough, given a sizable enough bankroll to wait out the small % he wins, you should win that money back and then some.

Can we play together? Pleeeeeeeeeeease?

[Donkey_Punisher]

I know you don't want to hear it but why would you play that crap hand? The thing of it is you were hoping to get lucky and flop two pair or trips which you did. But when you play chit hands like that you can expect things like that to happen. So for future reference don't play chit hands hoping to flop a miracle they only get you into trouble!!