A few Hands from my session...

[iceveins0901]

The last hand is the hand I have issues with, the others I just posted mainly for fun or harassment, or any insight on why I should play them differently.


First hand, real early, no reads, just me being the donkey...

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter UTG: $104.10 UTG+1: $118.60 MP1: $101.50 MP2: $33.50 CO: $140.60 BTN: $39.15 SB: $101.50 Hero (BB): $100.85 Pre-Flop: 7 T dealt to Hero (BB) 5 folds, BTN raises to $3, SB folds, Hero calls $2 I thought i could stack him with a decent flop, with him possibly attempting to steal from the button Flop: ($6.50) 9 8 8 (2 Players) Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero calls $3 here i flopped an open ender with a back door flush, worth the 3 to 1 i was getting on my money Turn: ($12.50) 4 (2 Players) Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero raises to $18, BTN calls $12 .... and there was the donkey raise, thinking back on it i dont know why I made it, maybe I thought I could buy it, which against that short of a stack it is probably almost impossible River: ($48.50) 3 (2 Players) Hero bets $16, BTN calls $15.15 and is All-In here was just a last ditch effort to get a fold, dumb... Results: $78.80 Pot ($3 Rake) BTN showed Q Q (two pair, Queens and Eights) and WON $75.80 (+$36.65 NET) Hero showed 7 T (a pair of Eights) and LOST (-$39.15 NET)

dont ever play a hand that bad.

This next hand the button was playing 20/10/1.8, somewhat loose, decently aggressive
and the SB was 35/3/.65, very loose passive

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter UTG: $46.40 UTG+1: $119.50 UTG+2: $36.20 MP1: $20.40 MP2: $57.10 CO: $130.70 BTN: $101.75 SB: $320.40 Hero (BB): $133.75 Pre-Flop: 9 T dealt to Hero (BB) 6 folds, BTN raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, Hero calls $2 I call just to see a flop, 3.5 to 1, I really doubt I am in terrible shape by the action Flop: ($9) J A 9 (3 Players) SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks I hit bottom pair, and checks around, I figure I have the best of it here against these two Turn: ($9) A (3 Players) SB checks, Hero bets $4, 2 folds Time to bet the turn, no more free cards, and if someone calls, there is a good chance we are beat, I suppose someone could call with spades, but I would doubt it from these two players. Results: $9 Pot ($0.45 Rake) Hero mucked 9 T and WON $8.55 (+$5.55 NET)

every pot taken down is a good pot, they dont all have to be huge

This next one is someone that I view as solid, over 500+ hands, he plays 12/6/1.5 he has a few tables up and going at all times

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: $100 UTG: $13 UTG+1: $98.80 MP: $157.45 CO: $142.75 Hero (BTN): $136.55 SB: $99 Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (BTN) 4 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB folds, BB raises to $11, Hero raises to $25, BB calls $14 I raise on the button with JJ, perfect time to have your opponents think you are stealing, and this guy is very capable of the re-steal which he does, so I come over the top, and he just calls. I think we have to put him on a strong narrow range (AK, maybe JJ+ or QQ+) Flop: ($50.50) 8 K J (2 Players) BB checks, Hero bets $25, BB calls $25 Well... theres the set, the rest of the hand is pretty standard I think on my part, I want to bet smallish to keep the non sets in, and it is very hard to put him on AQ of spades, now his call is what really got me, why just call? Turn: ($100.50) 5 (2 Players) BB checks, Hero bets $60, BB calls $50 and is All-In standard, already $100 in the pot... River: ($200.50) 6 (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $200.50 Pot ($3 Rake) BB showed A A (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$100 NET) Hero showed J J (three of a kind, Jacks) and WON $197.50 (+$97.50 NET) LOL... werent we just posting in another thread about raising AA preflop? I feel that if he would have over shoved pre that I could have safely gotten away from this hand being that I thought I had a pretty good read on him from seeing him before.

And of course I get ridiculed for being a donkey in the previous hand, which I just laughed at.

This was against one of the Friday Night poker players, fun stuff here... he was 32/8/2 during the session

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter UTG+2: $104.10 MP1: $117.10 MP2: $100 CO: $39.45 BTN: $139.10 SB: $76.30 BB: $101 Hero (UTG): $101 UTG+1: $157.15 Pre-Flop: K K dealt to Hero (UTG) Hero raises to $3.50, 4 folds, CO calls $3.50, 3 folds Hard to range this guy, pretty much any suited and most connected, and above I suppose Flop: ($8.50) Q 6 T (2 Players) Hero bets $5, CO calls $5 standard C-bet, and a call, which I bet puts him on KJ, J9, Qx, Tx, if he had a Queen with a good kicker he probably would have raised Turn: ($18.50) 3 (2 Players) Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero raises to $18, CO calls $13 Here I check to see what he does and he bets small, so I raise him to commit myself to the pot, I think there are many hands that he could hold that I beat here, and only the QT which he would have over shoved on the turn surely. River: ($54.50) 2 (2 Players) Hero bets $13, CO calls $12.95 and is All-In Results: $80.40 Pot ($3 Rake) CO mucked J J (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$39.45 NET) He actually had a real hand, played poorly Hero showed K K (a pair of Kings) and WON $77.40 (+$37.95 NET)

That hand was probably dumb to post, but I liked it



The last hand here is against a guy I am very familiar with, who is 12/7/2.5 over 800 hands

I was distracted for the moment and caught a free flop, here is what happened.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter UTG+1: $165.30 UTG+2: $112.60 MP1: $106.50 MP2: $73.60 CO: $139.05 BTN: $103.15 SB: $112 Hero (BB): $134.80 UTG: $76.65 Pre-Flop: 3 A dealt to Hero (BB) UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 4 folds, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks Flop: ($5) J 6 7 (5 Players) SB checks, Hero bets $4, 2 folds, BTN raises to $17, SB folds, Hero calls $13 Turn: ($39) J (2 Players) Hero checks, BTN bets $21.50, Hero folds Results: $39 Pot ($1.95 Rake) BTN mucked and WON $37.05 (+$19.05 NET)

I am really pissed about this hand... should I have just folded after the raise on the flop? Personally I wish I had paid attention more and just not bet the flop.

How would you have played the flop?

[Jonathank]

what is 12/7/2.5?

[iceveins0901]

Sorry, I should have clarified numbers like that

the 12/7/2.5

is vpip/pfr/af

vpip - voulentarily put money in pot - % player puts money in the pot (blinds not included so they call or raise that percentage, in this example, they play 12% of their hands)

pfr - pre flop raise - the percentage a player raises pre flop (in this case, 7% of their hands)

af - aggression factor - how aggressive the player is, somewhere between 2-3 is considered a decent aggression factor with less than 2 leaning towards a passive player and more than 3 leaning towards very aggressive.

[Wyte22]

Originally Posted by iceveins0901 Sorry, I should have clarified numbers like that the 12/7/2.5 is vpip/pfr/af vpip - voulentarily put money in pot - % player puts money in the pot (blinds not included so they call or raise that percentage, in this example, they play 12% of their hands) pfr - pre flop raise - the percentage a player raises pre flop (in this case, 7% of their hands) af - aggression factor - how aggressive the player is, somewhere between 2-3 is considered a decent aggression factor with less than 2 leaning towards a passive player and more than 3 leaning towards very aggressive.

Mine probably reads something like 50/2000/9

[phosphorescence]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 Mine probably reads something like 50/2000/9

rofl


to the original poster, yeah i think you should have folded when he raised the flop. he raised 4 times your bet, and if you just call it screams flush draw. you must have known you were beat, and could have got away pretty cheaply.
probably better to just check-call and then fold on turn if you miss. it would be cheaper and he will figure you for the same hand that you bet-called with. i hate to chase draws, it can get you in so much trouble.
to be fair you do play larger stakes than me, so i don't claim to be an authority. but it sounds like you knew you were gambling rather than using your head.

i liked how you played the KK v JJ, the check raise on the turn was nice. making it look like you were c-betting and missed, so if he has any of the flop he's betting the turn.

[liladypokerpro]

I just have to say that I appreciate Ice's thread...it shows both the good with the bad, and leaves it all open and out there for comment. It's good to see both sides of the fence because it just goes to show that in the heat of the moment, anyone and everyone can make mistakes at some point. It doesn't make us less of a player, just more human.

[EliminateU]

IceVeins...

how do you keep track of so much info?

[iceveins0901]

Originally Posted by EliminateU IceVeins... how do you keep track of so much info?

pokertracker..... is that 10 characters? (try typing a less than 10 character post and it gives you a message.)

For any serious online player, I would invest in pokertracker... right now you get a sweet ass deal too, buy pokertracker 3 and get a free copy of pokertracker 2 and PAhud, which is well worth the money.

[phosphorescence]

does pokertracker work on a mac?

i'm not sure i'd want to use it anyway, seems a bit like cheating to me

[irishpkr]

Hopefully I'll be able to give some useful feedback here

Hand1: I think a call preflop is really bad here - take a look at button's stack, he's only got 40BB. I think its a VERY marginal call with a 2gapper, even with T9s I'm not sure its +EV to call. If you think he's full of shit here I think I'd rather just reraise pre as you aren't getting the implied odds if you just call. As played, I think you shouldnt be raising the turn - the turn card is hardly gonna scare him off his hand, as it hasnt changed the board much. After he calls the turn raise he isnt folding the river at all. I think the best way to play it would be: call flop and call turn - you need roughly 4to1 to call, so if you think you can get $7 on the river (rough guesstimate :P) then call the turn. Also might be an idea to raise the flop.

Hand2: Another marginal call OOP, but at least this time you're deeper with the SB, I'd still err on the side of folding this preflop to be quite honest tho . Flop is fine, as for the turn bet, you're rarely getting a better hand to fold, nor a worse hand to call, but I guess its OK to take it down there.

Hand3: To be honest I think you played this badly preflop. Button raise is ofcourse standard, but you've got 3bet by a massive nit. If you think he's full of it, just call, you have a loose 3betting range crushed, but if he calls your 4bet, you know YOU are now crushed in terms of his range. This guy is a real nit so its pretty much QQ+ after that. Ofcourse you hit the set and get it all in, great

Hand4: Why not just cbet the flop, then bet/fold the turn and river? It's the standard line here for a reason :P The turn is great to 'double barrel' - I mean how could that 3 have helped you? Or damaged villians hand if he holds Qx/Tx?

Hand5: I think I just check/call this flop 5handed. Ask yourself this question when you bet- what are you trying to achieve? You clearly want this pot now, but against 4opponents you are getting them all to fold very rarely, and ofcourse the danger of a raise. As played turn is an easy fold, possibly drawing dead/very thin.


Hand4: Just to come back to that. If he 3bets you only with 99+,AQ+, and lets be honest, against a guy with these stats I dont see a resteal very often, if ever. You have 44% equity. BUT! If he calls your 4bet only with QQ+, you're a massive dog. Lets not forget he is really nitty. YOu've basically turned your hand with value into a total bluff by 4betting. I'd much rather do this if you got caught stealing with say 65s, which against 99+ AQ+ is 30%, but 22.5% against QQ+. Basically your hand once 3betted has very little equity, so its OK to go ahead and bluff there. And it becomes better to 4bet 65s instead of JJ if you think his range is more pairs/less AQ.

[irishpkr]

Bumping to get some of the crap off the top of the new posts list, and maybe get some POKER discussion going?

[Gil_the_Mover]

You should def just flat his three bet in the JJ hand. He is givinig you good set mining odds, and if he is restealing, it lets you get value out of his bluffs since he will probably try and take it on the flop.

But lets be honest, a 12/6 is never restealing.

[iceveins0901]

I was under the impression that against me he would possibly resteal, I was thinking he thought I had played with him enough to be able to fold some big hands should I need to.