how could i have folded

[hollygirl]

was playin a 6 man cash game 1/2 nl im the dealer small blind has 345 big blind has 600 the next 3 have 245 543 446 and i have 480 we have 2 folds 1 limper and i raise 12$ with QQ small blind folds big blind calls and the limper calls flop AQ6bb checks limper checks i raise pot 39$ bb folds limper calls the turn is a 9 limper checks i bet 150 the limper holds for about 3min then pushes all in for an additional 279 so i call he turns up AA and my mouth drops the river is a 10 now who would have put him on trip aces so my ? is how could i have folded which i couldnt have but would any of you put him on aces???? PLEASE LET ME KNOW?

[gamer4life27]

Well he either has one of VERY few hands. Internet players LOVE to slow play huge hands, and bet with not so good hands. So he could either have AA, AK, AQ, or 66. 1/4 of the time, you are beat there. Any other time, he is going to fold to a pot sized bet on the flop. So on the turn, you have to put him on one of those 4 hands. Bty, was this a play chip cash game, or real money cash game? Because that can also influence the hands he has.

[phaul]

Just want to say that was quite difficult to read, try spacing it out a bit more. As far as the hand goes, call is standard. You might be able to fold though, you've repped big strength with 2 big bets, so his range is pretty small, unless he's a complete donk his range is no bigger than AA, 66 or AQ. I doubt he shoves over you with AQ though, so it all depends on whether you think he would do this with a set of sixes. If yes, then easy call. If not, then maybe fold, although you can't really be blamed for calling.

[phaul]

Lol, gamer beat me to it.

Do you really think villain can have AK here gamer?

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by hollygirl was playin a 6 man cash game 1/2 nl im the dealer small blind has 345 big blind has 600 the next 3 have 245 543 446 and i have 480 we have 2 folds 1 limper and i raise 12$ with QQ small blind folds big blind calls and the limper calls flop AQ6bb checks limper checks i raise pot 39$ bb folds limper calls the turn is a 9 limper checks i bet 150 the limper holds for about 3min then pushes all in for an additional 279 so i call he turns up AA and my mouth drops the river is a 10 now who would have put him on trip aces so my ? is how could i have folded which i couldnt have but would any of you put him on aces???? PLEASE LET ME KNOW?

Simply put you dont fold here, if you fold this, you must seriously hate money. This is drop your pants, jerk it till you ***, activate the timebank, double fistpump snapcall territory.

Originally Posted by gamer4life27 Well he either has one of VERY few hands. Internet players LOVE to slow play huge hands, and bet with not so good hands. So he could either have AA, AK, AQ, or 66. 1/4 of the time, you are beat there. Any other time, he is going to fold to a pot sized bet on the flop. So on the turn, you have to put him on one of those 4 hands. Bty, was this a play chip cash game, or real money cash game? Because that can also influence the hands he has.

There are 3 combos of AA, 12 of AK, 3 of AQ, 3 of 99 and 3 of 66. If you think he's only doing it with AA/99/66 you are still ahead 2/3 of the time. Seriously this thread is a shocker, I really hope its a level/joke/schtick. Add AQ to his range and you're ahead of 15combos, behind 3, lol.

Btw, lol at thinking combos work like this: "So he could either have AA, AK, AQ, or 66. 1/4 of the time, you are beat there"

You realise you are getting like 2to1 or something, against sets you are 2:1 TO WIN, you're not even drawing to win, you have 66% equity roughly. With all the dead money in the post this is like, omfg. I mean basically you're forgetting that opponents have a RANGE of hands with which they do stuff. This one time he has aces, so many more times will he have lower sets/2pair. And I'm never putting him on aces as he flatted pre btw, so its even easier to call

/thread

[phaul]

Sorry, way I read it originally was as a live game. Online, snap every day, there are a lot of idiots out there and even if he's good you're ahead or breakeven with a lot of dead money. Live, with prior info/good reads, you CAN fold this sometimes, although as I said, call is standard.

Btw irishpkr, he hardly EVER has 99 here, he folds the flop! Oh, and your combos maths is wrong, he only has 3 combos of AQ; you have the other two queens!

[irishpkr]

If we think he can have AA, we can think he has 99 imo

But even against AA/66 we're even money so w/e

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by phaul Sorry, way I read it originally was as a live game. Online, snap every day, there are a lot of idiots out there and even if he's good you're ahead or breakeven with a lot of dead money. Live, with prior info/good reads, you CAN fold this sometimes, although as I said, call is standard. Btw irishpkr, he hardly EVER has 99 here, he folds the flop!

and btw with the dead money already in the pot, well, you might as well just fold pre if you're NOT willing to get it in here

[phaul]

Originally Posted by irishpkr But even against AA/66 we're even money so w/e

Yeah, that's what makes it really obvious.

Was just pointing out though that live, against a nit, it is possible to fold here

[Wyte22]

No way to really tell but there was one thing he did that would have gotten my attention VERY fast IF he was a tight player.

The all in move on the turn. after calling a nice size flop bet, he thinks after your bet and moves all in. That is CLASSIC set of aces if he is a TIGHT, I do mean TIGHT, player. But that is the ONLY set of cards that beat you, soo not knowing he had AA, you well over 75% to win this pot on the turn (we know the numbers are skewed because he had AA but also, even not knowing he had AA, depending on his looseness, he could have had KJ, hoping to hit the miracle 10. I know that last one is a stretch at 1/2 limits but it still does happen!).

Anyways, you made the correct call, you ran into a bigger set, oh well, that's poker over the long run though, those kind of calls are VERY +EV! because most of the time, he doesn't have jack!

[liladypokerpro]

Other player disguised his hand very well...nothing you did wrong IMO. He just out-flopped you...it happens. Perhaps he put you on Ax or Qx and was waiting until he thought you hit something like 2 pair before making his move on you...I know if I go over the top on someone holding nothing but a pair then 9/10 times they'll fold. He probably knew that too, which is why he slow rolled you until he was confident you'd call any bet/raise. Not a terrible play on his part...he extracted the most he could from the hand.

Think of it this way, it's a lot easier to lose to a respectable hand and good play than to a donk hand with a suckout, so in this case I'd just say "nh" and go on to the next one.

[hollygirl]

and yes this was a real cash game and i didnt really see me opponent as a tight player but you should never doubt another persons strength

[liladypokerpro]

Originally Posted by hollygirl ....you should never doubt another persons strength

Agreed, but on the same token you can never give an online player too much credit either It's a gamble any way you look at it

[chewbaka]

Some of you guys are overthinking. Im going broke here with QQ on that board 110% of the time. You have the 2nd best hand and youre playing 6-handed. PUSH PUSH PUSH.. Villain got aces so bet it... bad luck.

[gamer4life27]

Originally Posted by chewbaka Some of you guys are overthinking. Im going broke here with QQ on that board 110% of the time. You have the 2nd best hand and youre playing 6-handed. PUSH PUSH PUSH.. Villain got aces so bet it... bad luck.

I'm sorry if we are actually thinking like poker players and are trying to think of what he could have. But i would get broke with this 99.9999999999999999999% of the time. That other percentage point, I would fold because I folded it pre flop to two-three tight players all-in's pre flop.

But I know I never put my opponent on the cooler, but it does happen every once in a while. So it was just a bad case of bad luck running up against the cooler.

[Wyte22]

Originally Posted by liladypokerpro Agreed, but on the same token you can never give an online player too much credit either It's a gamble any way you look at it

That is something, That I do sometimes lol in heads up play, but I am getting better (slowly) not giving out to much credit to them, just enough they can hang themselves on the bluff rope

[frob23]

I agree with the general consensus here... folding is bad poker. This is just one of those hands where you're going to go to the felt every time it happens and most of the time you'll be right. It sucks to lose it... but you're never folding this unless it's live and the guy flips his hand over before you have time to act.

[liladypokerpro]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 That is something, That I do sometimes lol in heads up play, but I am getting better (slowly) not giving out to much credit to them, just enough they can hang themselves on the bluff rope

That is one disadvantage in heads up play...I mean in sngs or mtts, you have sometimes hours with the some of the same players, so it's easy after a while to get an idea of how and what they will play and when. In heads up, it's a whole nother ball game... I know a lot of people who can make it through a whole tourney and get to heads up and can't alter their play to adapt to the difference...that's why I practice everything...and I mean everything...every style of poker I can run across, I'm working on improving my skills at it. It's always fun to learn a new thing...but it can also be very rewarding

[Wyte22]

Originally Posted by liladypokerpro That is one disadvantage in heads up play...I mean in sngs or mtts, you have sometimes hours with the some of the same players, so it's easy after a while to get an idea of how and what they will play and when. In heads up, it's a whole nother ball game... I know a lot of people who can make it through a whole tourney and get to heads up and can't alter their play to adapt to the difference...that's why I practice everything...and I mean everything...every style of poker I can run across, I'm working on improving my skills at it. It's always fun to learn a new thing...but it can also be very rewarding

Have you fixed your aligning computer yet? I am ready to kick your butt in a few pot limit HA games

[liladypokerpro]

LOL no, sadly my friend's buddy found his upgrade CD but not the OS disk yet...so I'm still waiting...I'm not holding my breath tho...I barely ever see this friend so it could be weeks before he ever gets around to it...if ever *sighs*

Boiler made a generous offer of help, and it looks as though I may have to accept it, as much as it pains me to do so...I dunno why it bothers me so much to accept a gift of help from others...I guess because it's so rare I'm not sure how to react to it - I dunno I guess I just got used to being "mighty mouse" all the time, "saving the day" so-to-speak, for others. I just dunno lol

OH....and as far as kicking my butt......gl with that LOL