I am taking a break from this crap

[Wyte22]

Been running HORRIBLE, people rivering in around 80% of my all in situations.

Here's a great example:

After running bad in tourneys, gonna try cash games

Deep Stack .05/.1 game


Hero ($15)
Villian 1 ($19.20) Tight
Villian 2 ($22.25) Weak Loose (ultimate calling station)


Hero dealt (Qc4h)
UTG min raises, everyone calls, makes it like 10 to call into a 110 pot....11 to 1 odds, sure why not

Flop: 4 A 4

Hero Bets $.50 Villian 1 and 2 immediatly call

Turn: Q

Hero Bets $.85 Villian 1 and 2 again, immediatly call

River: 5

Hero bets $2.15 Villian one folds but villian 2 moves all in, he's been very loose, calling down with almost nothing. I am compelled to call this, because I have a full house and if he has A-4, grats, your are da man, end of story.

I Call, he shows pkt 5s for a slightly better full house. go figure!

[frob23]

If I understood everything correctly:

You bet 50c into a 120c pot... offering 3.4-1
and then 85 into a 270c pot... offering 4.2-1
yes... it was a horrific suck out... but when did you show strength in this hand?

You flopped a miracle, in bad position, but a miracle none-the-less. It's not a safe flop for you... you should be betting harder. Make them pay. I don't like the semi-slow-play with the small bet but it's fine if you're going to come out big on the turn.

That turn should not have looked like it helped you... 80%-120% pot sized bet here would be good. I'm talking $2.20 to $3.30 at this point. Sell your hand man... get the money in the pot. I have this exact same problem when I move from tournaments to cash play... I consistently undersell my hands. If you're going to make money, you need to bet.

Not only would the 5-5 hand have probably gone away but you wouldn't care if they stayed. They're getting a horrific price to try and hit that miracle 5. As it is, with the 85c bet and the fact that they got your stack... they got paid correctly for the draw. If they KNOWN you had Q4... and known you would stack off if a 5 fell... they would have been 100% correct in calling that 85c (it's actually nearly a perfect break-even call). That's the ugly bit. Had you made them pay $3... they would have had no hope of getting the right price.

It's a terrible beat... but you didn't even charge the guy incorrectly for the chance to stack off on you.

Edit: It should be noted that most of that math is purely for speculation purposes and the actual thought process of the player involved was probably "I don't think he has anything... I have a pair... I will call."

[Wyte22]

You show strength, they all fold, once you start betting pots at any level, unless they have a monster in their hand, they are folding. I was trying to keep him in the pot as long as possible and take as much money from him as possible (maybe that is a tourney play that doesn't work very well in cash games lol) but I mean ALWAYS...I can hit a str8 .v. 1 pair and lose to a full house the past week and a half, VERY VERY VERY VERY little has been going right.

I tried the whole "Show strength" and I wasn't getting paid off even tho I had an ultra loose image at the table at this table, soo I try slow playing some, but damn, Full tilt must have a list of people they like "ok, today is jackass's day to win alot of pots with 2 outter suckouts on the river"

Edit: at what point do you stop slow playing and actually go balls to the wall with aggression? on the flop 4 A 4, even though I was in bad position every round (it was good in my case, able to lead off with betting), if you bad big here, the 4 is OBVIOUS. you won't get paid, but if you slow down the betting some, people might stay in alittle bit longer. I know it's a risk you take when you slow play but how would you have played it? take the small pot on the flop and that's that?

I know if I would have moved all in, the villian who all in on the river, might have called. it would have been a suckout either way. Oh well, just another bad day, maybe I'll stick to heads up tourneys =P

[frob23]

I would have spiked it on the turn, actually. The small bet, although I am not a huge fan on the flop, is defendable because you don't know if anyone has anything and you're out of position. But you spike it on the turn... with a pot-sized bet... and you either take it there or have someone with an Ace try and steal it from you. They're supposed to have something... they called on the flop with something.

Yeah, you play aggressively and everyone folds when you have a monster. I've seen it happen. But I don't bother slow-playing unless my hand has the board absolutely crippled. If you want to win a big pot, you need to build a big pot. Also, at 5/10cNL... people call a lot more liberally on the flop than in tournaments... it's common to make a bet of 80% the pot and see 2 people come along to the turn. It happens... and even if it doesn't happen every single time, it happens often enough to make the bigger bet earn more in the long run. If someone will call $1 100% of the time, and $3 50% of the time... the $3 bet gets more return over time... even though half the time they're not going to call. The $1 bet gets you $1 for each hand, the $3 bet gets you $1.50 for each hand. On top of the $3 bet flat out returning more... it also means you win 50% of the hands without having to show down... so they're getting less of a chance to draw out on you as well.

[123bird]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 Been running HORRIBLE, people rivering in around 80% of my all in situations. Here's a great example: After running bad in tourneys, gonna try cash games Deep Stack .05/.1 game Hero ($15) Villian 1 ($19.20) Tight Villian 2 ($22.25) Weak Loose (ultimate calling station) Hero dealt (Qc4h) UTG min raises, everyone calls, makes it like 10 to call into a 110 pot....11 to 1 odds, sure why not Flop: 4 A 4 Hero Bets $.50 Villian 1 and 2 immediatly call Turn: Q Hero Bets $.85 Villian 1 and 2 again, immediatly call River: 5 Hero bets $2.15 Villian one folds but villian 2 moves all in, he's been very loose, calling down with almost nothing. I am compelled to call this, because I have a full house and if he has A-4, grats, your are da man, end of story. I Call, he shows pkt 5s for a slightly better full house. go figure!

LMAO, I'm having the same run of luck(all bad) not only poker (online/live) but punting on the horses(dogs/trots) as well.Everything I bet on seems to run 2nd or if i have a triffecta I get 1st,2nd & 4th, even sports betting,if i'd give, say 10 points start, they would win by 9.

[Wyte22]

I feel somewhat better, after getting very well liquored up with a nice everclear drink my friend makes ........i took a nap.....woke up........won 5 str8 heads up matches, INCLUDING a nail biter where it got to 200/400 blinds!!

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 You show strength, they all fold, once you start betting pots at any level, unless they have a monster in their hand, they are folding.

As a regular everyday micro stakes player, this is simply not true. Most players I see will go all the way with a flush draw, even if you charge a high price; 2ndpairgoodkicker/any top pair, they will call at least two streets with.