Not Being Aggressive

[MikeyInc]

The following four hands come up the other day, while playing 2/4 limit, and they really puzzled me. I think these situations come up a lot and learning how to deal with them is the basis for moving to a higher level. I hope you can read through them and give me your insight.


------HAND 1------

dealt to Pan [9s 9h]

Hv___71: folds

Andre2020: folds

inajka: folds

Pan: calls �r>igobroke: folds

Gulo_Gulo: folds

Mooney007: folds

Nasse_h: folds

KJ: raises �r>Pan: calls �font>

----- FLOP ----- [Ad 7s 8c]

KJ: bets �r>Pan: calls �font>

----- TURN ----- [Ad 7s 8c][8s]

KJ: bets �r>Pan: raises �r>KJ: calls �font>

----- RIVER ----- [Ad 7s 8c 8s][7c]

KJ: checks

Pan: bets �r>KJ: calls �font>

----- SHOW DOWN -----

Pan: shows [9s 9h] (Two Pairs, Nines and Eights, Ace high)

KJ: shows [Qs Qd] (Two Pairs, Queens and Eights, Ace high)

KJ collected �25 from Main pot


------HAND 2------

dealt to Pan [Kh Kd]

Gulo_Gulo: folds

Mooney007: calls �r>Nasse_h: folds

KJ: calls �r>Hv___71: folds

Andre2020: calls �r>inajka: raises �r>Pan: calls �r>Alf700: calls

�r>Mooney007: calls �r>KJ: calls �r>Andre2020: calls �font>

----- FLOP ----- [Ad 2c 4d]

Pan: checks

Alf700: checks

Mooney007: checks

KJ: checks

Andre2020: checks

inajka: checks

----- TURN ----- [Ad 2c 4d][5d]

Pan: checks

Alf700: bets �r>Mooney007: calls �r>KJ: folds

Andre2020: folds

inajka: calls �r>Pan: calls �font>

----- RIVER ----- [Ad 2c 4d 5d][4s]

Pan: checks

Alf700: checks

Mooney007: checks

inajka: checks

----- SHOW DOWN -----

Pan: shows [Kh Kd] (Two Pairs, Kings and Fours, Ace high)

Alf700: mucks hand

Mooney007: mucks hand

inajka: mucks hand

Pan collected �from Main pot

------HAND 3------

dealt to Pan [8h 4h]

Mooney007: raises �r>Nasse_h: folds

KJ: folds

Hv___71: calls �r>Andre2020: folds

inajka: folds

Pan: calls �r>Alf700: calls �r>Gulo_Gulo: folds

----- FLOP ----- [6h Qh 8d]

Alf700: checks

Mooney007: bets �r>Hv___71: calls �r>Pan: calls �r>Alf700: folds

----- TURN ----- [6h Qh 8d][9s]

Mooney007: bets �r>Hv___71: calls �r>Pan: calls �font>

----- RIVER ----- [6h Qh 8d 9s][Jd]

Mooney007: bets �r>Hv___71: calls �r>Pan: folds

----- SHOW DOWN -----

Mooney007: shows [5d 5s] (A Pair of Fives, Queen high)

Hv___71: shows [7d 7c] (A Pair of Sevens, Queen high)

Hv___71 collected �from Main pot

------HAND 4------

dealt to Pan [8c 3s]

Gulo_Gulo: calls �r>Mooney007: calls �r>tueart: folds

Nasse_h: folds

KJ: folds

Hv___71: folds

Gstring: checks

inajka: folds

Pan: calls �r>Alf700: checks

----- FLOP ----- [8s 8d 2c]

Pan: checks

Alf700: checks

Gulo_Gulo: checks

Mooney007: checks

Gstring: checks

----- TURN ----- [8s 8d 2c][Ts]

Pan: checks

Alf700: checks

Gulo_Gulo: checks

Mooney007: checks

Gstring: bets �r>Pan: calls �r>Alf700: folds

Gulo_Gulo: folds

Mooney007: folds

----- RIVER ----- [8s 8d 2c Ts][Jd]

Pan: bets �r>Gstring: raises �r>Pan: raises �r>Gstring: calls �font>

----- SHOW DOWN -----

Pan: shows [8c 3s] (Three of a kind, Eights, Jack high)

Gstring: shows [7s 9c] (A Straight, Jack high)

Gstring collected �from Main pot


Bad luck or bad play? I played in such a way because i hadnt won a good pot for a while.....

[iceveins0901]

Hand 1 just Check on the end, no reason to bet 99 in that spot. Hand two be more aggressive with your KK, reraise preflop, narrow your opponenets. Hand 3 either raise preflop as a bluff or fold, no reason to play this hand. Hand 4, eh, you are in the small blind, so raise and raise again when you flop trips in early position.

[irishpkr]

Hand1: I'd raise preflop, never betting the river here, there is almost no hand that will call your bet that cant beat you, and you aren't folding anything ever.

Hand2: Butchered- you're playing out of position on this hand, you HAVE to 3bet this preflop. As for postflop, not being a limit player by trade, I guess its OK, can understand why you think one of them must have an ace, being 6handed at this point.

Hand3: Think thats fine

Hand4: Really don't know what you're thinking here- I'm leading every street here, you've got the nuts pretty much. As played, check raise the turn 100%. Then suddenly when the river gets scary, you go apeshit and b/3b him. Its limit, people WILL call you with trash on the flop, you have to get some value while you're still ahead

[liladypokerpro]

Well considering I just woke up I'll be surprised if this makes any sense lol

After sorting out the hands, I'd say my conclusion would be that you had bad timing when you tried to be aggressive, and then were not aggressive when the timing was good for it.

Only real advice I would say is to get a good solid read on as many players as you can at your table, and when you are involved in a hand with them, take it from there.

One thing I tell everybody: In the language of aggression, "check" is not a word.

[st_ever]

Couldn't understnd the HH all that well but calling down with 99 is totally standard in limit and if you didnt raise it up preflop IMO you should have and called a 3 bet, check call down.

The hand with KK you have raise it up. In limit you have to be aggressive when you have or theres no way you will be profitable. Its all about maximising profit in hads like this and minimizing losses like the 99.

The last hand you have to bet all the way. Till the river since its scary, check call and throw your mouse out the window when you see what he has.

[MikeyInc]

thanks guys