The odds of KK V AA 9 max

[RiverstarsVictim]

Can anybody tell me the odds of holding KK and being up against AA on a 9 max table?

If I include the times I've had AA and KK has been out there too then I'm sure I'm seeing this too often and it's shit like this that makes me want to quit online poker. I'm truly fekn mad at the moment

[dew12109]

Then quit. If you don't believe that online poker is legitamate there is no reason to keep playing. Your experiences are a crazy small sample size of the millions of hands of online poker, and you might be seeing it more frequently than others. Personally, I actually don't see it happen too often. I do realize when it does happen, I remember it better than when 78 is against AA... because AA and KK stick in my mind.

[Fictive]

If you're holding KK, you'll run into AA around 4,2% of the time. Gotta say, seems to be a lot more often, doesn't it? The thing is, if you keep taking stats of your kings for a looong time, you'll probably see that sometimes you can run into them back to back, or possibly three out of five times. Keep grinding, buddy, the stats will even out, you'll see.

[RiverstarsVictim]

[quote=dew12109;28720]Then quit. If you don't believe that online poker is legitamate there is no reason to keep playing. Your experiences are a crazy small sample size of the millions of hands of online poker, and you might be seeing it more frequently than others. Personally, I actually don't see it happen too often. I do realize when it does happen, I remember it better than when 78 is against AA... because AA and KK stick in my mind.[/QUOTE


I asked for the odds not some lecture. How can I make a decision before knowing the odds? I dont care if my AA gets cracked by 78, that's poker. All I'm asking is the odds of KK being up against AA.

[Fictive]

Wow, no need to be an ass. you have the damn percentages there, just tried to be helpful, that's all.

[RiverstarsVictim]

Originally Posted by Fictive If you're holding KK, you'll run into AA around 4,2% of the time. Gotta say, seems to be a lot more often, doesn't it? The thing is, if you keep taking stats of your kings for a looong time, you'll probably see that sometimes you can run into them back to back, or possibly three out of five times. Keep grinding, buddy, the stats will even out, you'll see.

Cheers for the sensible reply. Yeah it's 3 out of 5 at the moment. This I could take if it wasn't all the other crap that's going with it. Also hit a set of kings, the board ended up with 4 clubs, the other KK sees no action. Hit a set of aces on a 3 suited flop OOP, the board wont pair up. I'm card dead for 5 orbits and then get AA UTG, if i raise they fold, if I go for the limp re-raise BB spikes 2 pair. I've hit just 1 flush in 2000 hands with j6 in the big blind. On and on it goes.

Anyway rant over. Back to using points on fulltilt for a while

[RiverstarsVictim]

Originally Posted by Fictive Wow, no need to be an ass. you have the damn percentages there, just tried to be helpful, that's all.

Sorry, my reply was at Dew, you posted whilst I was replying to him. I should've quoted him.

Edit to add** corrected now.

[liladypokerpro]

I've had it happen many times as well, but I think Fictive gave the best answer. But yeah it is sick when those runs happen, but it is something that happens with so many hands being played, so I feel your pain. Just hang in there and do your best.

[dew12109]

Originally Posted by RiverstarsVictim Yeah it's 3 out of 5 at the moment.

3 out of 5 times... surely 3 out of 5 couldn't occur over millions of hands. It's poker... hands happen, live with it and move on.
Statistic abnormalities happen, but you've had KK only 5 times? I just don't understand how people are so quick to blame online poker being rigged after having such a huge sample size of numbers under 100... much less still based on single digit numbers.

[irishpkr]

Something important to remember:

With 9hands left, the odds may be 4.2%, however with people folding infront this becomes much lower. However as a collorary, if you get allin with KK/AA, or even 3bet and get called preflop, then odds of being against KK/AA are obviously much higher now

[RiverstarsVictim]

Originally Posted by dew12109 3 out of 5 times... surely 3 out of 5 couldn't occur over millions of hands. It's poker... hands happen, live with it and move on. Statistic abnormalities happen, but you've had KK only 5 times? I just don't understand how people are so quick to blame online poker being rigged after having such a huge sample size of numbers under 100... much less still based on single digit numbers.

I haven't been dealt millions of hands so that arguement doesnt stack up.

KK V AA is just one particular hand I've asked the odds for, yes 3 out of 5 doesnt seem a lot. The longer term figures are about 7 in 30 on this particular site which will take a long long time to get it down to 4.2% average. I've also had my share of AA v KK too so it does even out longterm. I've also seen many AA v KK situations I'm not involved in. IMO it really does happen far too often and it doesn't make for enjoyable poker which is important to me. I've never seen so many people not re-raising KK, now I know why.

[dew12109]

Sorry, I didn't realize you consisted of all online poker.

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by RiverstarsVictim I've never seen so many people not re-raising KK, now I know why.

Its pretty simple, they hate money

[RiverstarsVictim]

Originally Posted by dew12109 Sorry, I didn't realize you consisted of all online poker.

It doesn't matter how many hands are dealt, the odds are always the same. It's not just 1 or 2 tables I see this, it is many many tables and over the period of time AA v KK would appear too often.

[dew12109]

My point is simple. Statistically, given enough hands, there is some poor guy out there that will get KK and be up against AA a very large amount. There are millions of hands of poker online, so examining each individual player's situation would almost certainly show that AA vs KK happens near the amount of time that it should.
My other point in this thread is that if you are certain that it happens too often, you probably shouldn't be playing poker online anymore. If you truly believe there is cheating happening (online poker sites would benefit because all ins generate more rake) with online poker sites to the point that you are so "fekn" mad and you want to quit online poker... you shouldn't be playing.

I don't know why that is so offensive/hard to understand.

[Krahsami]

Ok that totally reminds me of a hand I was in. Raise comes preflop. I look down and see KK, Now most ppl that played me will not find it uncommon for me to flat call with KK so I can see what the flop looks like first, So I flat call to Make sure an A don't spike. So anyway flop comes
Ace King and I don't even remember other brick card. Sweet I think. He raises again. I put him on AQ A last King maybe. I push in.

Insta called and VOILA there they are AA and crushed set over set. SICK. but I'll never ever ever forget it.

Now what's the odds of that one hmmmmm? You know what I honestly found is that murphy just loves to mess with ppl at the table.

[dew12109]

I lost in a hand quads vs quads where the river gave the guy quad 8's and I had quad 7's on the flop, and the guy hit an 8 on the turn and river to make his quad 8's with his amazing K8 hole cards. I'm still not crying out that online poker is rigged/saying I'm going to quit playing. I did not play poker for a week after that beat so that I did not play on tilt.
According to the odds here, ♠Bad Beat Jackpot Odds - The Wizard of Odds
The chance of losing with quad 7's is 0.0000078... or 0.00078%. I've had quad 7's maybe 3 times total, and one out of 3 I lost. Therefore clearly the odds are scewed like freaking crazy for me as an individual player, but not overall with all the other hands of poker that have played.

[RiverstarsVictim]

Originally Posted by Krahsami Ok that totally reminds me of a hand I was in. Raise comes preflop. I look down and see KK, Now most ppl that played me will not find it uncommon for me to flat call with KK so I can see what the flop looks like first, So I flat call to Make sure an A don't spike. So anyway flop comes Ace King and I don't even remember other brick card. Sweet I think. He raises again. I put him on AQ A last King maybe. I push in. Insta called and VOILA there they are AA and crushed set over set. SICK. but I'll never ever ever forget it. Now what's the odds of that one hmmmmm? You know what I honestly found is that murphy just loves to mess with ppl at the table.

If it happened on Everest it might have been against me

[Krahsami]

I know he respected me. That is all I ever ask for to tell you the truth. I don't think I'm a pro I don't think i'm the best, I'm just a guy that likes poker like most of you and is trying to actually get ahead or at least break even. Actually some of my best poker has resulted in my ability to sustain a bad beat now and not get bent out of shape over it. I say Nice hand. I know it does help your game doing that now. Before that would blow my whole day,and game. Not now. I take it and go on. Theres an OLD saying. SUCK IT UP. Soon as you start getting mad you are your own worst enemy. It took me alot of years but I finally got past that level. I'm gald I did. I am a better poker player for it. You have sucked out every one has. So when it happens to you the easiest thing to do to not get mad, But think of a time you sucked out on some one else. It HURTS I know. But you can be secure in the knowledge you got in best and made no mistake. Don't get mad trust me. Say nice hand show some class. ( think about your suck outs) It happens poker is a cruel mistress. Even if you break even we all know it's NOT the money why we play. We play because of the game of poker itself. We love the game better than Monopoly. The money does matter of course. But not as much as the game. The more you play the more you experience. Now eventually you experience alot and learn differnt things that work. Not getting mad is best. It happens and cant be avoided. Get back up and get back on that horse after falling off or quit horseriding all together.

[dew12109]

Thanks your post. I enjoyed reading that.