Okay for the PLO players

[hollygirl]

Okay so i havent been posting in a while as for im playing alot of poker. Well i switched to PLO over Holdem bout 2 months ago. I still play Holdem but mostly PLO. Now to my question? im playin 6 handed 1/2 PLO. i have 530 small blind has around 700 an the button has 350 or so i only give us three because we the only ones in the hand. HOW DO YOU PLAY THIS HAND? I im in bb with AAK10 3 ppl limped around to me. well i raise pot i make it i think it was 10 to go or somethin like that. but anyways. the button an small blind calls. the flop. A 3 K small blind checks i bet 22 the button calls small blind calls. now im thinkin they have a draw or kkk. so turn 2 now small blind checks button checks. i bet 48 button folds small blind calls. now pot is like 190 or so. the river brings a k ok small blind checks i bet 140 small blind is thinkin for bout 3 min or so and says I RAISE POT
now im thinkin what the hell does he have to check call me all the way an re raise on river.
before i tell you what he has i wanna know what is the right move here. there is one hand m worried bout kk but i think he woulda re raised on flop. from what i have picked up. dont have to much info bout the guy. he was moved to my table bout 20 min pprior to the hand. so i was jus curious what do you think he has/did i play my hand right. if not what is the right way to play this hand?????

[dew12109]

Ummm... you have the 2nd nuts. There aren't 5 kings in the deck, so he can't have KK since in your hand you say you hold a K. It's pretty bad to worry about KK. The only hand that beats you is 45 of clubs.

[Horoeschio]

I'm guessing he's got the king high flush and thinks it's good since you bet the turn. Easy call, you're never gonna fold your 2nd nuts here.

I don't see him having the 4,5 of clubs. What does he have on the flop? A gutshot straight draw and a 5 high flush draw. Unless he's got an unlikely AK or 33 to go with that, it doesn't make much sense.

[HeyKidMove]

Call/put him it in if you still have money left. He can't have KK since you have one of the K's. He probably has A-K. You can't be worried about 4-5 of clubs.

[gamer4life27]

Only hand that beats you here is 4 5. He could be calling with a draw, but maybe a broadway flush draw. And since you bet all the streets, he might be putting you on either trips, a smaller flush, a missed straight, or the hand that you have, a boat.

If he thinks that his is your range, then he will be raising more times than not. Given this, you will have the best hand more times than not. And if you are afraid of the ONE hand that beats you, the straight flush with 4 5, then flat call. I am never folding the second nuts in this situation, just because he would have to have given me a REAL bad beat. For one, to call pre flop with 4 5 from a pot bet in the BB, and two, he would have to be calling pot every street just to hit it. Because even then, you could have a higher flush.

And since I am guessing this is a live cash game (since you didn't determine before in your post), if he thinks for close to 3 mins, he isn't slow rolling to bet pot. Maybe a minute at most he will do that with this hand. But when he is thinking for 3 minutes, he is thinking if he has you beat. Meaning he doesn't have the absolute nuts. He might have a smaller boat, but I just don't see 4 5

[pokerbucket]

Ok so here is the deal. First of all have you played with this player before? Do you know how they play at all? Unless they are retarded or crazy they aren't going to bluff in that situation. It is a terrible place to buff in PLO. You raised before the flop and that could easily mean AA or KK so he has to have that as a possibility of your hands. Remember people that PLO is way different than holdem. In holdem people will just say there are only 1 or 2 hands that beat me here and if he has them then I am going to pay him off. In PLO if you play with that mindset you will lose. He easily could have the 45. I am not saying that you should always fold in this situation but if you auto call in every situation like this then you won't do as well in the long run. PLO is way more of a chess match than holdem. You are prob gonna tell us he had the 45 cause why else would you be writing? Just a cooler. I would want to fold but I doubt that I would.....

[phaul]

Originally Posted by hollygirl the flop. A 3 K small blind checks i bet 22 the button calls small blind calls. now im thinkin they have a draw or kkk.

In all seriousness you do realise that exactly 2 of your hole cards count right? And also that there are only 4 kings in the deck?

I feel you auto-call here, there's not that many hands he can have containing 4 5

Also, I'm not an Omaha player, so someone who knows feel free to correct me, but I like pot-controlling the turn (ie checking) a lot.

[pokerbucket]

Why couldn't he have the 45 in his hand?

He could have AQ45 I would play that hand

or he could have a hand like 45 67

[phaul]

Originally Posted by pokerbucket Why couldn't he have the 45 in his hand? He could have AQ45 I would play that hand or he could have a hand like 45 67

Yeah, those are both legitimate preflop. But are you really chasing down a small fd? If not then on the flop, with the first hand you've got top pair with a gutter draw, and with the second hand you've got a gutter draw. Even if you do manage to get to the turn with those hands there are a lot more ways he could have AK, because even though there's only one A and one K left out there's a lot more combos he'd play preflop, and I think a lot of people are raising the river there with AK.

[hollygirl]

Okay for all of you i havent played with him long. i stated that so i realize that i have 2nd nutzz . im not worried bout the 45 of i figure im good. i flat call as for this is OMAHA he turn over get this 4 3 9 7 wtf kind of pre flop call was that. i say wow u really call that re. He says you must not understand the concept of Omaha. Everybody starts laughing.it made me so mad i left. can anyone tell me. would you call pre with that hand?????????????????????

[travz21]

Everyone was laughing because it was a misdeal, right? Two 3 of clubs in a hand is pretty fun.

[dew12109]

Originally Posted by travz21 Everyone was laughing because it was a misdeal, right? Two 3 of clubs in a hand is pretty fun.

If you hold the exact same card that's on the flop, you are an automatic winner no matter what hits.


This story has had many inconsistencies... I wonder if it's true.

[pokerbucket]

Originally Posted by dew12109 If you hold the exact same card that's on the flop, you are an automatic winner no matter what hits. This story has had many inconsistencies... I wonder if it's true.

Now I am even more confused lol... was this online or in person?

[liladypokerpro]

You lost me about a mile past the Albuquerque exit there holly... took more than one wrong turn I think... So is there any way you can come back and clarify what exactly happened and what the correct cards were that were involved?

Because as it stands it looks like you were being dealt poker hands from a blackjack shoe...

[hollygirl]

ok im sorry i didnt see that i put the 3 it was the5

[Horoeschio]

So he did have the straight flush?

Fact of the matter is, he didn't play this like the genius that he probably claimed to be afterwards. He lucked out, that is all.

You'll win in the long run.

[pokerbucket]

Originally Posted by hollygirl ok im sorry i didnt see that i put the 3 it was the5

Ok that makes more sense now. So I was right he did have the straight flush. The thing is that people will play a lot of combinations in omaha. Besides he only had to call a bet of $22 on the flop and you guys were playing with $500 - 700 behind. If he hits and u have what you are representing it will be a perfect storm and he can make a lot of money. See what you have to realize is that it is very difficult to make a straight flush even in omaha but the pot size raise on the river means this is probably one of the rare times that he has it. People generally don't make moves like that with a paired board and aces and kings showing because there is a good chance that someone will have aces or kings full like i said before. Still just a cooler situation.

[hollygirl]

Yes i understand what you are saying. But another question is do you really make that call on the flop with the hand he had? Even after i raise the pot???

[pokerbucket]

Originally Posted by hollygirl Yes i understand what you are saying. But another question is do you really make that call on the flop with the hand he had? Even after i raise the pot???

I know people are crazy we have seen it all at the poker table

[liladypokerpro]

Hmmmm ya never know..... maybe it was an Epic Misclick on his part, and he decided to front like he meant to do it after he caught the straight flush LOL I've seen dumber things than that happen, so nothing surprises me anymore. I'm voting for the Epic Misclick that got Played Off... any other votes?