Strategy - micros - 3 betting vs limping

[postmanclark]

Hey everyone,

As per my recent post I have just moved to FTP. Now here's the thing compared to other times in my life that I have played - everyone seems to be 3 betting light and no one is limp reraising.
Here are my points:

1) Now it seems to be a known concept that you should play an opposite strategy to everyone else allows you to win easier.
2) After much timidity (lol word check), I now believe that I am better then most players post flop (stats and notes). Villains 3 betting light really shut down the avenue of ev with regards to post flop play. If you were to LRR you would be the one 3 betting or alternatively you could call the raise and play post flop - without the need to almost get your hand all in after a 3 bet.
3) I want to see more flops at a cheaper price.

Opinions please??

[travz21]

A thing that stops 3betting or squeeze happy players is 3betting yourself.

Not sure if you're talking about fullring or 6max, but if you're playing fullring I don't see the problem. Wait for hands to 4bet/get it in. People are spewing. If you're playing 6max, you can't really wait for comfortable hands to 4bet with. You have to start being way more aggressive instead of flat calling 2bets. You should also tighten up your opening range if you are getting 3bet way too often.

When you flat call a 2bet, someone after you is likely to squeeze with any two cards at some limits. This is good if you have a hand that can 4bet (it would look kinda weird for a flatter to 4bet but w/e), but you should also be 3betting those kinds of hands on your own pf. But most of the time you're caught in a squeeze with a hand like 77 or KJs and will have to dump it. Pretty much the only way to see the cheapest possible flop is to 3bet those types of hands to ~2.5x the open raise. This will allow the original raiser to call with a wider range, which kind of sucks for hand reading purposes, but it also allows them to call with a worse range than our holdings OOP, which is awesome for us. This play will usually eliminate any squeeze happy spewtards from the pot and you get to play a hand in position with a value type hand. If you make your 3bet 3.5x-4x it pretty much turns your hand into a bluff, which we don't want to do with those holdings. And even if villain calls with a better hand a lot of the time when we 3bet small, we take over initiative and will win way more pots post flop than we would have by just flat calling.

Hopefully you actually play 6max so I didn't waste all that time haha.

[postmanclark]

Travz - I play 6 ring - so no wasted effort lol.

I think that I didn't make myself clear on the post. I don't mind 3 betting, I do it quite a lot. The aim of the post was to try and find out about others thinking when regards to being 3 bet by villains.

I find that typically villains 3 bet percentages can be as high as 15% - it completely shuts the hand down post flop if you call. I was trying to find lines of being the aggressor in the hand without being 3 betted. So this is why I was thinking about limp reraising.

I tried this last night - and everyone seem to fold; until I get 4 betted at a table, I am going to do it randomly in early position with my worst hands (obviously sparingly).

What do you reckon? 4 betting light a better line possibly?

[bsg]

Depends on the table. However, it's good to mix it up occasionally and aggression is so common sometimes check raising represent strength, but it does depend on the table and how you read the situation. I do prefer trapping with a big hand, especially by betting out rather than bluffing too much, it's important but seems overrated.

[travz21]

Originally Posted by postmanclark Travz - I play 6 ring - so no wasted effort lol. I think that I didn't make myself clear on the post. I don't mind 3 betting, I do it quite a lot. The aim of the post was to try and find out about others thinking when regards to being 3 bet by villains. I find that typically villains 3 bet percentages can be as high as 15% - it completely shuts the hand down post flop if you call. I was trying to find lines of being the aggressor in the hand without being 3 betted. So this is why I was thinking about limp reraising. I tried this last night - and everyone seem to fold; until I get 4 betted at a table, I am going to do it randomly in early position with my worst hands (obviously sparingly). What do you reckon? 4 betting light a better line possibly?

I already said what I thought you should do. If they are 3betting you that light as in 15% of the time, you should tighten up your opening range/4bet more often. And I bet most of those 15% 3bet players get the majority of their 3bets in from squeezing, which I think I explained semi-decently earlier.

Limp/reraising will get you no where if you're playing anybody adaptable.