Too many donkeys out there

[OPDKILO]

You should take advatage of the donkeys. Yes, they will beat you on some really bad beats but most of the time you can make a good bank roll on them.

[loutray]

I do not understand how such great players that you judge others by donkey.Personnaluy I think it's good that all players should go in a real casino, and not playing with donkeys you call on a software program in advance . That is my opinion

[AndRum]

playersat higher levels often play the same as low limits. sometimes the low limit players are even tighter it all depends on the time of day and day of the week. it's amazing how the play varies from day to day

[philjj]

I really dislike the terms donk and donk play. They should be referred by their proper name, bad calls and bad plays. I watched Mr (term of respect) Helmuth on TV last night (UK) playing some very marginal hands. When he was caught out, no-one called him a donk. Sometimes it's neccesary to move on the pot purely because of the position you're in and dependant on the opposition, irrespective of the cards you hold. If it works, fine, if not, no point in whining about it. I've been wiped out today twice holding the nuts until the river which then decided to kick me in them. My only comments were nh. It's poker, live with it or don't play. As for there only being one card that can beat you, that's justification for checking or folding if you're risking your stack.

[PointerJake]

There are all diff types of players out there with diff styles. The key is to figure out who and what type of style your up against and udjust your play accordingly. Works a lot better live I will admit. And oh yea, you cant win ever hand. Without donks and diff styles, poker would be a very boring game!!!

[Captain300]

stop tapping the glass

[exfatman]

Donk. Needed ones.

[ScottyB]

Very true. This is one of my favorite quotes from the Rounders movie: Quote: Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker. - Mike McDermott (Matt Damon)

Although this is a great quote there's one I like better from that movie

In the poker game of life, women are the rake. They are the f***ing rake. -Worm (Edward Norton)

[iceveins0901]

beautiful scotty, best line in the whole flick... actually I think I will turn it on right now before I start up a session...

[AnArkhos]

I'd love it if everyone thought I was a donkey..

[irishpkr]

Most money you will make in poker comes not from your brilliance, but from the donkeys' bad play

[I Eat Gamblers]

Donkeys.....yes there are alot of them.

[colonie58]

Very good point and I agree to a certain extent. Its the constant all in idiots that make me grrrrrrrrrrrr .

[SlideOnIn]

I have no complaints when playing against someone who calls(and keeps calling) with a bad hand. Most players don't either, until they lose to someone with a bad hand. But sorry to say, my opinion....who is the real donk. There are SO many people playing poker now and EVERYBODY knows there are people out there that call with crap hands all the time, even if they are NOT trying to bluff. Wake up people. Quit living in the past. Some of you are really going to hate this. I have won some big pots off you 'old school' players because your play is so predictable. I just find it strange that people complain so much about losing to a "donk" when they are the ones calling with a losing hand. Maybe its time to think about adjusting your play for these players. I wonder if half these players (the ones you would consider a donk) have ever played in a live poker game. (Forgive me, I can't pass up this opportunity. Judging by how LONG it takes some of them to call, I would say they havn't.) They see people playing with crap hands and winning. And then on top of it, freerolls. No money up front, nothing to loose. Is it really so surprising people call with nothing. What does it matter what you lose to when you don't know when to fold you pocket A's, or what you thought was the winning hand. As far as I'm concerned, with a freeroll, bad play is to be expected. For any one to be suprised by that, well,... need I say more. Hope I didn't piss any body off (can I say that here?) Let me know if you think that is too vulgar. Oh, by the way. For those players who have never played live poker.........it's considered quite rude to take as long as you can to call your hand, every hand. There is a more considerate way to fold than to 'time out'. Okay, love you all, see you in the next freeroll.

[sledracer01]

i think the term DONKEY is just something sore losers had to name the guy playing off hands from what the standard is, i mean there is no rule what so ever on what cards i can see a flop with, its all on feeling and if ur going to get lucky, and he the guy called ur big pre flop raise when u have aces and he flops 2 pair and u go broke, dont get mad look back and gather the information to use later in ur card playing days

[TheSavage85]

Most of my stack is provided by donks, why on earth would you want good players at your table? Don't you like profit?

Also...playing at 5/10cent tables your dreaming if you think you're getting good players at that the level.

Most of the good players have built a bank roll and are playing the higher limits..(by good I mean those who have a basic understanding of when to fold, and can lay a good hand down).

[AnArkhos]

Its true that donks can be good for your bankroll, but the fact is that if you want to play poker with all your skill, (meaning that u use bluffs and semi bluffs in addition to playing your hands the best of your ability) you need opposition that is able to undertand your fine tuned moves. If you sit in a table filled with calling stations, u need to hit a good streak of cards to destroy that table. Otherwise u get called all the time and the pot is more likely to end up to one of these donks than u, as it is impossible to try to read hteir play or to put them to any given hand.

So in my opinion, it is good to find a table that is not filled with callingstation donks, but rather with weaker players than u that can still play the game well enough to value a raise that looks like a winning hand-type of betting.

[liladypokerpro]

I think televised poker has influenced many players who have the potential to be good, but take the information from it and twist it to their own liking or opinion. Example: the commentators on the televised poker games call AK "the nuts..." so, an inexperienced player might automatically assume that this is the best possible hand for an all-in move and practice this in his play. Even in heads-up play, AK is simply the top drawing hand possible pre-flop...nothing becomes the best hand until the river decides a hand's fate. AA is also vastly over-played...granted, it is the best pocket pair possible, again, pre-flop, but you also have to remember that by having 2 aces in your hand, it limits your outs...someone with any two detatched cards (i.e. 5 6, J 10, etc.) automatically has the edge to draw out two pair on you. Again, nothing is considered the best hand until the river makes it so.

With this being said, watch the players you are playing with. Try to pick up on their patterns, whether it be betting patterns, or patterns of tight or loose play. Once you have recognized these patterns, it will make it easier for you to decide what to do with your hands. Also, practice being unpredictable yourself. If you are seen as a tight/aggressive player on a constant, other players will cease to remain in a hand with you, thus costing you money and position in a tournament.

It's fine to be tight/aggressive, but when you sense weakness at the table, try changing up your style a bit...stop waiting for AK or pocket pairs and play a few suited connectors from time to time. You might just be surprised at the outcome, and the table will become totally confused about how to play against you, thus giving you an advantage.

Good luck at the tables! (^_^)

[AnArkhos]

Very good tip that one..

AK is possibly the single most overplayed hand in holdem, as it is a good drawing hand. If u see these characters going AI PF with every single AK they get, u know what they are about..

[philjj]

valid points lilady, I didn't mean by playing tight aggressive that you only play premium cards

"It's fine to be tight/aggressive, but when you sense weakness at the table, try changing up your style a bit...stop waiting for AK or pocket pairs and play a few suited connectors from time to time. You might just be surprised at the outcome, and the table will become totally confused about how to play against you, thus giving you an advantage".

This to me is a crucial part of the game, you have to see how your opponents are playing and aim to dominate each table you play at, whether single table sng or mtt