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Old 30th December 2006, 01:02 PM
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OK you have a K 10 late position with no raise except the big blind to call. There are 4 people in this pot. The flop is 7 Q 5. After the flop first person mini raise then an All in raise and a call. Do you fold or call? You have about the amount of the All in left in your stack.
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Old 15th January 2007, 02:22 PM
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I don't if anyone was interested in the answer but I thought I would post the solution.

Well you are going to make a flush 35% of the time by the time the river hits. Your odds are not 1 in 4 or other nonsense people have mentioned.

So you need to look at what is in the pot and decide if you are getting at least three to one on your money.

You said that you were in the pot with crazies, well who knows what they have then. Clearly one person liked the flop, and the second person LOVED the flop. So a lot of your logic now depends on what you think of these other players.

The first person to move all in, could have AQ or a set. The person calling unless he is an idiot should have something really strong. Generally the gap principle suggests that to call an all in bet you really should have a stronger hand. But again, depends on your opponents.

The problem you have is that you probably are not getting the right pot odds. Even if you are, a king high flush may not be best. You are drawing to the second nuts. If you hit your hand it is possible someone has the ace, giving them the best flush. If two spades come and someone has the ace of spades, you are again dead. If someone does have a set, and the board pairs, they just made a boat and your hand is dead.

With all that in mind it may not be worth donking off your entire stack on this hand. All you have right now is king high. Two out of three times your hand will not hit. You have to assume that someone has an ace, or at least paired the board.

So you have about a one in three chance of making your hand, with no guarantee that if you hit it will be the best hand. I have to say, you may as well fold.
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Well thats a great answer! I would fold and let the other two battle, Why chase?
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yes that is a great answer I have lost way to much money chasing those second best flushes that don't hit.
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There is absolutely no way that scenario would warrant a call, imo. The odds were discussed already, but then there's the fact that seeing that flop cost you only a big blind. No reason to commit to that pot. Not to mention that even if you did hit your flush, someone just might've had the nut flush draw. Then there's the danger of the board pairing which most likely would give the original bettor or the raiser a full house. That's a clear fold.
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No way should you call. Chances are, the person who called the all in is on a nut flush draw, which has you beat. The person who initially went all in, probably has A Q, or represents a big Q.

You are beat badly, with that many calls and raises. 35% is not good enough when chances are everyone's got a club already.
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i just want to add something here:
EASY FOLD !!!!!
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I guess I would fold aswell....
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I would fold as well. However, I'm a conservative player, so take that into account.
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i would definitely fold. cuz it is possible that someone else is holding the nut flush draw and then ud really be in trouble. and whats more propably that someone is holding a set and then he has got almost the same odds to outdraw you with a full house.

imo u should almost never call an AI with a draw.
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Okay i would fold as well, but what was the the Turn and then the River.??
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The reason you limp with k10 suited in late position after a few other limpers or a small raise is to catch a hand on the flop like 2 pair or trips, or maybe top pair with a draw, or if its ur day flop a straight or flush. You dont limp with this hand to try and fish after the flop, thats how u loose chips real fast like you would do if you call. If you limp with tihs hand look to catch on the flop not on the turn or river. If you dont hit on the flop get out of the hand, your trying to bust someone here not let someone bust you.
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