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Old 25th June 2008, 10:52 PM
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PokerStars Game #18381546436: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/06/25 - 18:48:48 (ET)
Table 'Aribeda III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Smoka1983 ($16.30 in chips)
Seat 2: ADUBS23 ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 3: CruciaX ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Roboligraphy ($6 in chips)
Seat 5: atom325 ($6.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Zoey16/5 ($6 in chips)
CruciaX: posts small blind $0.05
Roboligraphy: posts big blind $0.10
Zoey16/5: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Roboligraphy [3d 3c]
atom325: folds
Zoey16/5: checks
Smoka1983: folds
ADUBS23: folds
CruciaX: raises $0.40 to $0.50
Roboligraphy: calls $0.40
Zoey16/5: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 9d 8d]
CruciaX: bets $0.70
Roboligraphy: raises $1.30 to $2
CruciaX: raises $6.70 to $8.70
Roboligraphy: calls $3.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($3.20) returned to CruciaX
*** TURN *** [3s 9d 8d] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [3s 9d 8d Jh] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CruciaX: shows [Jc Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Roboligraphy: shows [3d 3c] (three of a kind, Threes)
CruciaX collected $11.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.10 | Rake $0.60
Board [3s 9d 8d Jh Qc]
Seat 1: Smoka1983 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ADUBS23 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: CruciaX (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and won ($11.50) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: Roboligraphy (big blind) showed [3d 3c] and lost with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 5: atom325 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Zoey16/5 folded before Flop
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Old 25th June 2008, 10:58 PM
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Hard to say not knowing what kind of read you had on CruciaX...given what is shown, I'd say that the first raise could be a clue that he has a higher pair in the hole...given the flop contained two diamonds, and his huge push against you, I'd either put him on a large pair or possibly suited AKd or something. At any rate, I think you did what you felt was right given that you flopped a set, and until the turn card, you were ahead. But small pairs like that are dangerous...he could have just as easily had 88 or 99 and you still would have been beaten. I rarely play those little pairs to begin with, so I probably wouldn't have even gotten involved in the hand at all.


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Old 25th June 2008, 11:20 PM
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I would have mucked 3's to a preflop raise, even if you thought they were just tryin to steal the pot. At best w/ 33 you have a coin flip, do u really want to make a habit of calling preflop with garbage.
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Old 25th June 2008, 11:48 PM
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There was nothing wrong with your play that I could see. You hit a set of 3's on the flop, and he kept raising on the flop with an over pair. You both had reason to stay in the pot. Unless your a pro, and have an amazing read, I don't think theres any way you could lay down a set heads up with someone at a 6-handed table.

But I can see why you called pre flop, only the SB raising. Maybe he is trying to pick up the pot, or maybe he has a hand, or even wants to get either you or the other person in the hand heads up to the pot. You can smooth call, and most likely the person who posted wouldn't raise, and you could see the flop in position to the raiser to see what he or she does next.

However, this is a cash game, and people won't try to pick up $0.20 every single time they get on the button or something like that. If they are, most likely they are a tournament player and that is not the correct strategy for cash game play. His raise most likely tells you that he has something good. This ranges from player to player though. Some people, good is high suited connectors, high cards such as 10 J, 10 Q, 10 K, 10 A, J Q, ... , A K. Or pocket 8's or better. This is the best range of cards people raise with.

Now his raise on the flop tells you two things. He either has an open ended straight draw, a high flush draw, a set, or an over pair. You re-raised with your set of 3's to see where you were at, or to get more money from him. His re-re-raise tells you that he has either a set, or an over pair. Most (and I mean most, around 99.9999%) small cash players won't raise a raise with that flop on just a straight draw or a flush draw. They would either call or fold.

So basically, you had a 2/7 chance he had a set, and a 5/7 chance he had an over pair. You could have gone either way and you were ahead when the money went in. But alas, the poker gods are always watching and the best hand in the end.

Me personally, I would have done the exact same thing. So don't fret about it. Since the best hand won, I wouldn't have been that upset.
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Set over set. It happens. Chalk it up to bad luck and move on.
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The Villian raised from the button, a standard raise with 1 limper, his range could be anything reasonable, and some not reasonable.

I dont know the exact math, but you need to have a full stack plus your opponent should have a 75BB or higher stack in order to get the correct implied odds to hit a set when you are heads up. You did not have a full stack yourself, so I dont know if you can set mine heads up effectively.
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As played, perfect flop! You caught the guy drawing to a 2 outer, you were both all in 90% to 10%, why even post this hand and think about it some more, if anything, delete the bad beat part of it, and just watch from the flop until the moment you are all in.

The only thing bad that happened in that hand is that pokerstars doesnt show you both players hole cards until after the river, which could give you a false sense of making a bad play when you did all you could given that flop.
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I hope this is a level, seriously? I mean its 20000% standard postflop, but fold preflop. Oh, rebuy to full ffs
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Who says a pair of treys are junk? a pair is a pair...a pair 3's beats AK or AK suited prefllop. Many a pros say to call in small pocket pairs, 22 through 66 to see the flop. Against a preflop raise, this goes with knowing the player, his aggression at the table, prior hand history you've seen him showdown with. I've seen people preflop raise J9offsuit ..does it mean I should fold my pair and surrender money to him? Do you only feel confident with a ace? I say you did the right thing with the threes. You called it in, you saw the flop, the flop was in your favor, textured on a two suited flop or not, you had more outs than anyone holding top pair. You stand to get quads, or a fullhouse given any other card on the board pairs up. Anyone who says small pocket pairs are junk is crazy. You flop that set, anyone in the game stands to be a severe underdog to you. I say drag the set to the turn where its more costly, let'em raise into you and checkraise it back..than on the river...bet for value one more time. If you lose to a suck out, que-sera-sera! However, if you win, you win a reasonable pot and a job well done. Small pocket pairs must be played with discretion, you see the flop, if the flop is a flush draw, straight draw, or all overcards vulnerable to you, be ready to dump the pair. With small pocket pairs, the key is to be a sniper, you want to flop that set and take it down swiftly. You miss it, don't get married to your hand or re-evaluate new reasons to continue staying in the hand. Once again, when joining a ring game, always study your players, particularly the two players to your immediate left, and the player immediately on your right, these players can cause a dramatic change or swing in your stake. Good Job!
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Fold Preflop. He raised 4 times the big blind and all you have is a tiny pocket pair.

If he was a very loose player, maybe you re-raise. If he is loose, you got to think he's probably got a big pocket pair.
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Raises don't mean alot at this level, even if he is tight. almost all the .05/.1 tables I've sat at seemed like I was in Kindergarten, people just throwing chips all over the place!

Calling the raise with pkt 3 is an iffy play at best even at this table, but it never hurts to see a flop with pkts. Just remeber, when you do and hit a set, your gonna lose hands because of set over set or str8s or flushes who draw out on you. Accept it, it's a price you have to pay to win the massive pots out there you will see having a lower set over people's 2 pairs and flush/str8 draws.

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