Fulltilt constant BadBeats

[allthatremains]

I have active accounts on 4 sites. The last one I added was FullTilt, in April this year, through rakeback.com affiliate.

Through April and the first 2 weeks of May, my bankroll went almost straight down and I swore the site was rigged or at least something different was going on as I had never experienced anything quite like this. But, I had a 4 month plan to play on the site while I cleared the max sign up bonus, so I persisted.

I adjusted my game - upgraded may be a better word, and applied my new skills to not only FullTilt, but the other 3 sites as well. I am well into the positive on FullTilt now and feel I am a better player on all sites.

For me, it seems I will always lose some $ on one site each month and make money on 2 or 3 of the others but in the end I really don't see a difference in the way the cards fall on any site overall.

[vwpunk]

Originally Posted by allthatremains I have active accounts on 4 sites. The last one I added was FullTilt, in April this year, through rakeback.com affiliate. Through April and the first 2 weeks of May, my bankroll went almost straight down and I swore the site was rigged or at least something different was going on as I had never experienced anything quite like this. But, I had a 4 month plan to play on the site while I cleared the max sign up bonus, so I persisted. I adjusted my game - upgraded may be a better word, and applied my new skills to not only FullTilt, but the other 3 sites as well. I am well into the positive on FullTilt now and feel I am a better player on all sites. For me, it seems I will always lose some $ on one site each month and make money on 2 or 3 of the others but in the end I really don't see a difference in the way the cards fall on any site overall.

This is good input, what other site do you like to play on? I only have one money account and it's fulltilt, I would like to know where else is a good place to play for money. I have a pokerstars play account, but are they a good site to put some money into?
It's definately about adjusting, when you have had a few bad rounds you tend to play more junk you know you shouldn't be playing just trying to get back into it, which usually causes a further slip..

[Cheryl Papsch]

That's a really interesting idea. One thing I notice between FTP and Stars is: I get dealt higher pocket cards at FTP for some reason that at Stars. I am more profitable at aFTP than stars. However, there are days where the .2 hands and the draw outs on ftp are insane.I paly mostly h/u turbos and 2/4 nl. the draw outs and terrible beats are even worse at the cash games,but that is the nature of the beast.

[vwpunk]

Originally Posted by Cheryl Papsch That's a really interesting idea. One thing I notice between FTP and Stars is: I get dealt higher pocket cards at FTP for some reason that at Stars. I am more profitable at aFTP than stars. However, there are days where the .2 hands and the draw outs on ftp are insane.I paly mostly h/u turbos and 2/4 nl. the draw outs and terrible beats are even worse at the cash games,but that is the nature of the beast.

I'm glad several people have at least told me they feel that there seems to be a noticeable amount of suckouts. and like you said, I get a lot of high pocket cards, I don't notice this when I play Pokerstars, but I only play the play chips on pokerstars, but it seems more realistic and I haven't noticed the amount of suckouts on pokerstars...

[Huskers314]

If, as you preposterously claim, Full Tilt is rigged because the underdogs suck out all the time, just put your money in bad.....you'll be a millionaire in no time.

I get as frustrated by drawouts as the next guy, but I just have to remind myself that if player X consistently makes bad calls against me, I will own him/her. Good luck.

On a related note, it is nice to see the posters on this site have finally tired of the whiny bad beat/poker is rigged threads.....Thought Irish and I were the only ones for awhile.

[iceveins0901]

Originally Posted by Huskers314 If, as you preposterously claim, Full Tilt is rigged because the underdogs suck out all the time, just put your money in bad.....you'll be a millionaire in no time. I get as frustrated by drawouts as the next guy, but I just have to remind myself that if player X consistently makes bad calls against me, I will own him/her. Good luck. On a related note, it is nice to see the posters on this site have finally tired of the whiny bad beat/poker is rigged threads.....Thought Irish and I were the only ones for awhile.

great post sir.

[dinkydoofus]

vwpunk,

The sites are not rigged my friend, they would lose their clients and their business by making the cards generation anything but random. While you don't have to believe the checks performed by various authorities or some guy online telling you this, I would recommend you ask a dealer, someone that has dealt poker for a living for at least a year. They will tell you that these sites have nothing on them, the cards are random and yes a 75% fav. hand can lose 20 consecutive times in a row, live, online, in a tournament or on yahoo for play money.

Dinky

[hooksvsbird]

alot of what ppl r saying makes sense but can anyone explain y they dont burn a card or y tilt continues to shuffle on every streat so longer opponent thinks the more it shuffles or y tilt wont let an independent company audit the random num generator to see if it was truly random. i play only there and i can tell u lots of fav hands dont hold up but im stuck there till i have enuf roll to move to ps and get supernova

[Wyte22]

Originally Posted by hooksvsbird alot of what ppl r saying makes sense but can anyone explain y they dont burn a card or y tilt continues to shuffle on every streat so longer opponent thinks the more it shuffles or y tilt wont let an independent company audit the random num generator to see if it was truly random. i play only there and i can tell u lots of fav hands dont hold up but im stuck there till i have enuf roll to move to ps and get supernova

Translator plz, this hurts my head to read this!

[hooksvsbird]

im sory i dont type well and i llike to use my own short hand. tilt dose not burn a card on any street. they also shuffle the deck continuosly on every street untill a descion is made. they will not let an independent body audit the rng to see if the probibilities are holding up. what im saying is it would be better if they would shuffle 1 time only and burn cards just like a live game. i think that would help the percentages hold more

[vwpunk]

Well I quit on the Turbo SnGs. I am back to playing Touarnaments instead, and I seem to do much better and do not see nearly as many of the suckouts, the cards seem to fall randomly.
The Turbo SnGs are a complete lottery though, and no one will convince me otherwise.
I'm not whining about losing money, hell my bankroll is ten times what I started with a year ago. I don't play high roller stuff, as I have stated before just the cheap tournies until maybe I build up enough of a bankroll to move up and feel comfortable...
I'll quit my bitching about the SnGs and just keep playing the tournies when I have the time...
thanks
Mike

[Wyte22]

Originally Posted by vwpunk Well I quit on the Turbo SnGs. I am back to playing Touarnaments instead, and I seem to do much better and do not see nearly as many of the suckouts, the cards seem to fall randomly. The Turbo SnGs are a complete lottery though, and no one will convince me otherwise. I'm not whining about losing money, hell my bankroll is ten times what I started with a year ago. I don't play high roller stuff, as I have stated before just the cheap tournies until maybe I build up enough of a bankroll to move up and feel comfortable... I'll quit my bitching about the SnGs and just keep playing the tournies when I have the time... thanks Mike

Turbo SnGs are not a complete lottery (not the Super turbos with 300 chips are a complete lottery).

They just require a different strategy than normal SnGs and are designed for people that are aggressive by nature

The biggest thing about Turbo SnGs is the fact they are PERFECT for people with not alot of time, and who play aggressivly. The blinds constantly go up rather quickly (therefore Reducing your M if you aren't taking pots) and it makes things very interesting

[Vito_Nuccio]

Anyone who has played online poker for more than a day has had the 'it has to be fixed' dream. But we come to realize bad beats happen, and the more of them you get, the better you are playing since you are getting your money in with the best hand.

Of all the sites out there, why would Full Tilt with over 100000 players at a time in the poker room and several professional endorsements of players, need or want to cheat. The money river is flowing at them at a torrid pace, it must be difficult keeping up with the inflow of cash. There is no reward and all risk for Full Tilt to have a fixed program regulating who wins and when, they have bigger issues to deal with, like security and collusion.

As always, if you do not trust a business, cardroom or not, do not frequent it. There are many cardrooms out there to play at, why play at a place you think is cheating? Even some of the biggest cheating scandals in online poker at Absolute and Ultimate Bet were done by rogue ex-employees with insider information, not the card rooms themselves. And now those rooms are heavily watched over by auditing firms to assure these events do not occur again.

There will always be persons trying to beat the system legally (angleshooters) or not (criminal). Some will get away with their scams others will be caught. Players and the cardrooms need to work together to weed out the undesirables, not the donks, we want their money.

I do not play at FullTilt for my own reasons. I have poor connection speeds and loading the lobby at FullTilt takes forever. Maybe I will try it again when high speed internet comes to my area (I live in the middle of nowhere). But I have no fear of a special program out there to assure my profits stay at a certain level.

Later,

Later,

[Wyte22]

it's all rigged, even our jobs are rigged.....our cars are rigged, elections are rigged!

[vwpunk]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 it's all rigged, even our jobs are rigged.....our cars are rigged, elections are rigged!

I have that same hat!

[iceveins0901]

I sell them, $10 a pop

[-Syre-]

Originally Posted by vwpunk I actually stumbled upon this site because I was looking to see if people could give good recomendations on poker sites. I'm a little unhappy with Fulltilt, it seems completely unrealistic, that everytime someone has a pocket pair, there are usually 2 other pocket pairs on the board at the same time, or how often you can be 90% favor and the river flushes you out of a game. Just seems like it's a little predictable with the bad beats. Anyone else get that? Is there a site that doesn't seem like the hand is predetermined? For instance I am playing mid pockets 99, My opponent has AdQd The Flop comes 9d 2d 7d I just flopped a set and knowing the Flush is out there, but i'm short stacked and probably got my best chance to get back in it, I push all in and of course get called to reveal he has just flopped an A high flush. And this is a very consistant thing with Fulltilt. It's as if Fulltilt is trying to force the play and get the tournaments or sit n gos to go quicker by giving a great hand only to let the larger stack take it down to reduce the playing field. If it happened just once in a while I would think it's just poker and I took a bad beat, but it's every single sit n go I play in, sometimes I'm on the good end of it, but it's just completely unrealistic that it happens as often as it does... any insite on this?

I always hear that BS that "it's just poker" but as far as I'm concerned FULLTILT is nothing like real poker. It's completely unrealistic bullsh!t as far as I'm concerned.
As I wrote on another post I've lost with pocket kings more than I have lost with 2 7 off suit. First 16 or 17 times i ahd kings I lost because I was first to act, pushed all in, and someone had pocket Aces.

I had pocket kings another time and lost to someone with 35 spades because there were two spades on the board, one of which was a king for the set. Of course the completely unrealistic miracle flush hits. I'm starting to wonder what the hell is going on........

Also, I've lost everything and every hand for the passed 2 weeks. I won 5 hands total I think... err.. earlier I won a hand with K 2 spades which i had to push all in with in a tournament. but then lost with K Q.... ;x

AJ hearts vs 22

Flop A 6 Q

I checked, he bet, I raised all in and he called with stupid pocket 2's...

and I thought, ok sweet, I got this.... RIVER = 2 ... WTF?!?!?!?!
Happens like that all the fsckin' time! ;\ ;\

I dont get it.

I have seen more badbeats on Fulltilt then I have ever in my 6 years of playing poker. I just started playing online cause I was tired of the two hour drive down to Atlantic City. Online poker seems a completely ridiculous!

[AnTman_69]

I don'd mind the stupidness of your post syre. It means that you will never understand the game..and hopefully never improve..so good players can constantly win your money.

[-Syre-]

How can you even say that? Did I attack you? Are you honestly that rude and inconsiderate?... The amount of bad beats on Fulltilt is ridiculous. Just miraculously I have a good hand but the person next to me has my hand just one upped so I hit my top card but they hit a set so I'd bet as first to act and obviously lose. It's ridiculous...

PLUS... This online poker is NOTHING like real poker. No one hits a miracle flush on the river EVERY SINGLE TIME!... You hit a set and 9 out of 10 times you'll lose to a flush... that 1 extra time you'll lose to someone else hitting a higher set or boat... its absurd.... And I understand poker very well. I understand the REALISTIC side to it... I'm sorry if I don't understand online poker thats set up in a horrible manner but I understand real face to face, eye to eye, poker. Made a living doing it down in Atlantic City but can't see how anyone can win NONSTOP on Fulltilt unless of course it is true that you win cause you deposit a lot of money or have played more or something.... I've deposited a lot of money and I've had my fair share of hitting hands but have had nothing but a horrible bad beat infested time these past times.... And if you dont like my post go somewhere else and read. I never attacked you or noted your stupidity so why you jumping on me? If you're a fan of fulltilt good for you and frankly you can go play some more and I'm sure your luck will run out soon. And I hope it does...

[iceveins0901]

No they arent. There are so many people that make money while playing on Full Tilt. I am one of them. Get your foil hat on and put me in the group with "them".

If you dont have a hat yet, just ship $10 on Full Tilt to IcyColdHeart, and then ship a PM to me with your address, I will go buy some foil and make you a hat and mail it to you.

I play live poker too, I have been beat by people calling all in with a pair and a gutshot against my top set. It happens in both worlds. I am going to post some hands tomorrow from tonights cash games, there are some coolers there, luck just works out against you sometimes.