I am soo done with Full Tilt

[Wyte22]

i've counted 12 suckouts (major ones not like minor, they had 10 outs but ones where they had no more than 3 outs) in 2 hours tonight. I am not one to say stuff is rigged but I am willing to bet that Full Tilt likes to put alittle drama into their cards.

I've played enough in real life to know that you don't ALWAYS river your str8 against trips, you don't nail the nut flush then have someone make a full house on you 90% of the time. I've seen WAY too much goofy and crazy s*it.

I am soo done with full tilt, what other sites are there that don't have all that crazy drama filled flop bull crap that ft has?

The main reason I am done with FT, check the 65K tourney post. ALWAYS if the first couple of cards are low, typically the rest stay low, if they are high, you probably won't see an 8 or lower. I also love how you can get called with an AK by someone with A7 and if you don't get the King in the first four cards, they river the 7. It is just unreal.

That is not poker, it is like some super crack filled bingo game.

I know "He's ranting that FT is rigged" i am not doing that but I know for a fact, that cards don't consistently act like that. The laws of random probability is COMPLETELY against some of the stuff that goes on at FT.

[da_kyky1]

Crazy things do happen on Full Tilt. Sometimes i called it Full Rigged, but it happens live and online. I am used to the suckouts on the site as I am live. Its just poker but it happens on every site not just Full Tilt. I used to get mad at Full Tilt but i have been playin on the site now for almost 2 years. In the long run, you will win if you go in good. Good luck bro

[liladypokerpro]

I always recommend Poker Nordica, and rakeback has a 30% deal with them, which pays daily. Nordica's tournament atmosphere is much more realistic and less "fishy" than Full Tilt. It is rare to see even an all in move on Nordica tournaments, unless it's down to the wire. Much, Much better environment than the likes of Full Tilt.

[Boilermaker]

I've started playing on Absolute Poker since FT made it hard for me to make a deposit.

I did good on FT, but better on AP. Seems like there is not as many loose nutts playing there, except on weekends ...lol.. the S&G's can take awhile to start, but you gotta love the Guaranteed tourneys, they have way more than FT.

The AP river can be just as deadly as the FT river thoo, like last night in a tourney( i got 18th outa 2771)
this 1 guy he'd have a hand worth playing, although not the best till the river. Saw him do it over and over. He was one you didn't want to let limp to the river...lol

[Vito_Nuccio]

The fact is online you can multi-table many times over and play thousands of hands in a day where in a brick and morter card room you can play one table, much slower. Since you are seeing more hands online you get more suckouts. The poker mind has an uncanny ability to remember the worst of situations and the better players will see more suckouts since they are getting their money in with the better hand the majority of the time.

When I hear words like 'always' and 'never' my antennas go up. These terms can not apply. 8-10 suckouts in a row is completely possible and within the numbers. Randomness can be tough short term, but the odds will even out in the long run.

In a poker breakdown you need a large sample size to work with. A dozen instances in one nights worth of play is not a sufficient enough pool to determine an outcome like 'rigged', 'cheat', 'luck', and so on.

As always, if you do not trust a site, go elsewhere. I prefer the smaller sites like Nordica and Absolute, but there are plenty of donks there also to suck out on you. Keep getting your money in with the best of it and in the long haul, your ROI will be fine.

Later,

[phosphorescence]

i feel your pain. it seems AK never holds up against AQ in an all-in situation on full tilt lol.

it's just the goddam fish sucking out on you on full tilt which does my head in. like just now, i got knocked out of a tourney like so: blinds 25/50. one limper, then next guy (who just lost a big pot with ace-rag) raises to 225. i'm in SB with AdKd, i raise to 650. limper calls. raiser calls.

flop Ac Qs 5s

i check. limper goes all in. raiser goes all in. i'm like 'ok one of them may have AQ but i have to call'.
limper has Ah5h. raiser has 7d5d.

and i'm out. people limping with ace rag then calling a raise and a massive reraise. then flop 2 pair. enough to drive you insane! lol

[phosphorescence]

'oh and another thing...'

watch how many times a dominated player hits his three outer on full tilt in an all in situation.

just now i pushed a super small stack all in with KJ on the button, he has J9 and hits a 9. that seems to happen much more than is natural lol.

[phosphorescence]

lol i know you're probably sick of my bad beat stories but i've got to tell this one

13 left in 90 man $10 tourney. im in BB with about 18k in chips. blinds 500/1k. early position min raises. folded round. i call with K7.

flop 7 K A

he bets 2k into about 5.5k pot. i raise to 6k and say to myself 'knowing full tilt he's probably got A7 or aces'.

he re-raises all in. i call.

he's got A7.

although i'd like to believe that full tilt's software is completely random, and that these things happen all the time live as well, it's a no to both. full tilt is an absolute joke. anyone know of any other poker rooms which are good for macs? software based rather than a webpage.

[flippemup]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 i've counted 12 suckouts (major ones not like minor, they had 10 outs but ones where they had no more than 3 outs) in 2 hours tonight. I am not one to say stuff is rigged but I am willing to bet that Full Tilt likes to put alittle drama into their cards. I've played enough in real life to know that you don't ALWAYS river your str8 against trips, you don't nail the nut flush then have someone make a full house on you 90% of the time. I've seen WAY too much goofy and crazy s*it. I am soo done with full tilt, what other sites are there that don't have all that crazy drama filled flop bull crap that ft has? The main reason I am done with FT, check the 65K tourney post. ALWAYS if the first couple of cards are low, typically the rest stay low, if they are high, you probably won't see an 8 or lower. I also love how you can get called with an AK by someone with A7 and if you don't get the King in the first four cards, they river the 7. It is just unreal. That is not poker, it is like some super crack filled bingo game. I know "He's ranting that FT is rigged" i am not doing that but I know for a fact, that cards don't consistently act like that. The laws of random probability is COMPLETELY against some of the stuff that goes on at FT.

wyte22 you are very correct in my opinion. I have been playing on FullTilt for about 4 to 5 years now and I have been a Cardrunners member for about the last 2 years so I do feel like I am pro material which is why I play for a living among other things. The funny thing is I'm still stuck at the 1/2 games and lower literally do to bad luck. I really feel like I should be playing high stakes right now but I have been held back do to bad beats day after day for years. its so ridiculous. flopping nut straights and openender straight flush draws and my opponent runner runners flush for 100BBs when he was 10% on the flop. Sometimes I think I'm more unlucky then Phil Helmuth, but is it really me or is it the site?? Same crap actually happened to me on UB for a while as well. Flopping a boat and getting allin against over pairs only to loose when they hit a 2 freakn outer for 100BBs or more. So disgusting. I feel like I have all this skill and talent but I just get setup to go broke often enough where it hurts me in the short and long run.

[johnolerud9]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 i've counted 12 suckouts (major ones not like minor, they had 10 outs but ones where they had no more than 3 outs) in 2 hours tonight. I am not one to say stuff is rigged but I am willing to bet that Full Tilt likes to put alittle drama into their cards. I've played enough in real life to know that you don't ALWAYS river your str8 against trips, you don't nail the nut flush then have someone make a full house on you 90% of the time. I've seen WAY too much goofy and crazy s*it. I am soo done with full tilt, what other sites are there that don't have all that crazy drama filled flop bull crap that Full Tilt has? The main reason I am done with FT, check the 65K tourney post. ALWAYS if the first couple of cards are low, typically the rest stay low, if they are high, you probably won't see an 8 or lower. I also love how you can get called with an AK by someone with A7 and if you don't get the King in the first four cards, they river the 7. It is just unreal. That is not poker, it is like some super crack filled bingo game. I know "He's ranting that FT is rigged" i am not doing that but I know for a fact, that cards don't consistently act like that. The laws of random probability is COMPLETELY against some of the stuff that goes on at FT.

You have to understand that there is no reason for a site that big and popular to even think to do any manipulation of data. when playing online you see many more hands than live, think about it if you were at a casino and played lets say 30 hands any hour you would have to play 6 times as long at the casino to catch up to playing online.
Therefore in the long run you definately would go through a stretch that you think you are going through at full tilt.

[eraml]

Haha u guys are just funny, complaining about all these bad beats. they happen to everyone, just get over it.

[The Poker Don]

Originally Posted by Vito_Nuccio The fact is online you can multi-table many times over and play thousands of hands in a day where in a brick and morter card room you can play one table, much slower. Since you are seeing more hands online you get more suckouts. The poker mind has an uncanny ability to remember the worst of situations and the better players will see more suckouts since they are getting their money in with the better hand the majority of the time. When I hear words like 'always' and 'never' my antennas go up. These terms can not apply. 8-10 suckouts in a row is completely possible and within the numbers. Randomness can be tough short term, but the odds will even out in the long run. In a poker breakdown you need a large sample size to work with. A dozen instances in one nights worth of play is not a sufficient enough pool to determine an outcome like 'rigged', 'cheat', 'luck', and so on. As always, if you do not trust a site, go elsewhere. I prefer the smaller sites like Nordica and Absolute, but there are plenty of donks there also to suck out on you. Keep getting your money in with the best of it and in the long haul, your ROI will be fine. Later,

Couldnt have said it better myself.

Full Tilt is not rigged, and you will never be a winning player as long as you are convinced that it is. That essentially read as the rant of a frustrated poker player going through an inevitable downswing - looking in the wrong places to place blame. Reputation is what allows Full Tilt to make hundreds of millions a year, rigging their games in any way simply does not make any sense. The fact that it is one of the more popular sites, and therefore one of the easier ones, has two effects. 1) You see more unbelievable suckouts as their are more idiots making ridiculous calls. 2) You make more money because there are so many idiots.

Just like if you flip a coin a million times you are going to have some runs of say 50-100 either heads or tails in a row, if you play enough poker you are going to have some REALLY bad runs of luck. Worse than you thought was possible. But everytime someone sucks out against you, simply remind yourself that the play your opponent just made is what makes it so easy to make money online these days, and be thankful that sometimes they win. Thats what keeps em coming back.

[phosphorescence]

Originally Posted by eraml Haha u guys are just funny, complaining about all these bad beats. they happen to everyone, just get over it.

we're not complaining about the bad beats, we're complaining about the seemingly unnatural amount of times they happen on full tilt.
a weaker ace against a stronger ace should win something like 1 in 4 times, but it seems like much more than that on full tilt. same with dominated hands.

i agree that there is no reason for full tilt to be rigged, but i have noticed a lot more suckouts since i moved from pacific poker about 6 months ago. lots of runner runners which rarely happened on pacific.

[tstrachan22]

I have only been playing on Fulltilt for like 4 weeks and slammed tons of fish to get my intial deposit of $50 up to $500.00. The problem i've had in the past week it trying to withdrawl. I was told to send my documents of proof of address and a Gov't I.D. which I did three days ago and ZERO response. I'm getting super pissed off and was wondering if this is normal wait time since I emailed them once a day from them asking for atleast a response.
As far as getting sucked out on unfortunalty I have to say with as small a sample I have to go with it seems to just as shitty as UB and AP, which is A LOT.

[phosphorescence]

when i emailed my documents to full tilt their reply was almost instantaneous. not sure why yours would be taking so long. perhaps it's 'cause you only recently joined or something.

[The Poker Don]

I have been with full tilt for around 2 years and they are consistently crap in dealing with withdrawals. I have come to the conclusion that this is a deliberate policy to keep people playing.

[rakmupagain]

I withdraw every 2 weeks the same amount and never had any troubles, use paper check. it takes 5-6 days to get to my mailbox, no transaction fees. If you cant wait that long then you dont have enough money to be playing anyway.
Its hilarious to hear these people convinced that fulltilt is rigged, and then go to absolute and ultimate where its been proven that superuser accounts have been used that can see all of the hole cards. Seriously, wake up and stop whining. Swings are part of poker, and if u cant handle the luck factor involved, play chess. Do you think all of these awful players would be on the website if it werent for the luck factor? If the game was all skill, it would be overrun by the top 1% and you wouldnt have a chance of ever winning.
Ive been on such a horrid run for 2 weeks now, losing every coinflip, never hitting draws, losing with sets to draws, bubbling out of every mtt/sng, its not the first time this has happened and it wont be the last. Consider it a challenge to play at ur best through these inevitable streaks.
For some reason i never see any posts about "how lucky ive been lately" when this is inevitable as well.

[tstrachan22]

I withdraw every 2 weeks the same amount and never had any troubles, use paper check. it takes 5-6 days to get to my mailbox, no transaction fees. If you cant wait that long then you dont have enough money to be playing anyway.

The issue I have is not about the money, I do VERY well on all the sites I play, it is the issue of responding to me and letting me know that the wheel is turning so to speak; things are in motion-maybe a dont worry "sir your request is being processed" kind of response. Good customer service is all I'm asking for and if they cant give me that then i'll be more than happy to go somewhere else AFTER I get my dough.

[xxblondetxx]

Umm, no offense, but you call with K 7 and complain? I agree that FTP does have endless suckouts and seems to reward the "bad" players time after time, however, if you make those adjustments to your game and stay away from the donkey's, you'll do okay in the long run. Not just FTP, but all online sites have this problem, you never know who your playing against and what there motives are. It is much easier for someone to get online for a quick sng or in the middle of a tourny something comes up and they have to leave, so they start pushing with crap hands and get lucky. I've been rewarded several times due to my nagging wife telling me get off that computer and I've started forcing hands that I would normally not play and hitting some ridicilous hands.

[5spades2U]

I don't see why everyone is so upset with fulltilt...its cards..online...how can u think it is rigged?