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| Well written article but I think the begginer or intermediate might read too much into this if he feels his aces are getting cracked alot. Some of your stats need to be slightly clarified. The 33% isnt against a single random hand but against several. Im not sure what the exact numbers are but it would have to be atleast 3 or 4 to more to be that low of an underdog preflop. When talking about isolating a player heads up, against all random hands from 2 7 to KK, AA will be around a 4:1 favourite which means about 80% of the time it should take down the pot if seen to the end. Those are good odds and you will always be getting pot odds with aces because you are always ahead preflop. The thing to point out here is that you remember what you loose, and forget what you win. If your aces hold up you wont think much off it, however if they get cracked then you will remember it and probably fume over it. The key here is for that not to reflect you play. Limping in with aces after 6 people limped is basically like handing over a pot. The is the perfect opertunity especially in a tournament to build your chips and knock out a sucker. All in or a huge and I mean huge raise is what needs to be done here. Your aces are a big favourite heads up and a slight favourite against that many people. Good luck on the felt |
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I'll give you two examples: let's say there are three players going to see the flop. You've got AA and you are against KK and QQ from the other two players. You are a 66.7% to win the hand, KK is 18.3% and the queens naturally a little less. Another example, aces vs. suited connectors, three players going for the flop. Let's say they are going to be 6 7 vs. K Q vs. your A A . That would be close to the ideal situation (percentages-wise) to crack the aces, as the aces are "only" 59.6% to win, the 67s is surprisingly the second favorite with 22.5% and KQs just over 17%.Oh, and another example. I checked my PokerTracker stats. I've been dealt AA over 250o times, and the hand's win percentage is currently 82.3%. |
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| you will remember it and probably fume over it. The key here is for that not to reflect you play. Limping in with aces after 6 people limped is basically like handing over a pot. The is the perfect opertunity especially in a tournament to build your chips and knock out a sucker. All in or a huge and I mean huge raise is what needs to be done here. Your aces are a big favourite heads up and a slight favourite against that many people. |
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| Wow can I get my 5 minutes back? ![]() You never limp with aces when 5-6 people have already limped. You will never loose with aces 2 outs of 3 times (in the long run) if you aren't retarded and limp when 5-6 people have limped. |
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| I believe the 33% pokerwhiz is talking about is taking the starting aces against all other possible starting combinations from KK down to 72 off, not comparing AA to one, two or N other players hands. I do not agree with limping aces with 4-5 other players, too many dangerous cheap draws, you may even improve your hand less than the drawing hand improves, make them pay to draw against the rockets. Take the aces against a hand or two and use the math advantage to the fullest by betting with those big boys. If you know there will be no more than 2 others with you to the flop (others have already folded), then the limp may come into play (and hopefully someone else gets brave pre-flop, then you have em) to disguise the strength of the hand. If you are interested in limping with aces regardless of situation, I suggest a tip I read from Mike Caro (The mad genius) on playing aces. There are 6 combinations of aces, 4 consist of one black and one red ace. The others are the two black or red aces. Limp when your aces are the same color, raise if they are different. You will be raising 2 out of 3 times you have aces thus possibly disguising a little of your rocket play. Personally, I prefer to give more weight to the situation and current playing rivals, but wanted to share the tip. Thanks pokerwhiz for the insight, just wanted to add my 3 chips worth. ![]() Shuffle up and deal! Last edited by Vito_Nuccio; 26th December 2007 at 04:53 PM. Reason: my poor spelling |
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| This was in the original super system, I played professionally long before i ever even thought about this: The most vulnerable set to have is aces. Why is this so? Hmmmmmmmm Any flop containg an ace has a possible straight draw. Just another reason to NEVER limp them. Especially online. It may be profitable to do so in live games occasionally, only because you have more info to work with after the flop comes ak10 and you get called by 3 players after leading out. Better hope the board pairs! |


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. That would be close to the ideal situation (percentages-wise) to crack the aces, as the aces are "only" 59.6% to win, the 67s is surprisingly the second favorite with 22.5% and KQs just over 17%.
