Betting AK unimproved to the river

[MikeyInc]

thanks guys for your help!!! anyone else ?

[Bren_Osoro]

The bet on the flop is pretty much mandatory, and I definitly bet the turn in this situation. On a 10, 4, 9 flop he will call with such a wide range, any two overcards, that he will probably fold to turn bet, and the 4 is not likely to help him. The jack on the river is a teribble card. If he had QJ he paired the jack, KQ made a Straight, AJ paired the jack. The only hand he might fold is AQ, and you would beat that by checking, so there's no value in having him fold that hand. He'll call that bet with any pocket pair, or any of the above mentioned hands so when he folds you gain nothing because you would have won the pot anyway, and when he calls you lose more money. I would check/fold that river.

[MikeyInc]

My HEROS all Of YOU .. i took the advice and have become a well rounded poker player thanks guys


see u @ the tables

[evangelion2727]

if you cant bluff someone off 2s after raising every street there is something wrong with your image or the amount you are betting.

[frob23]

Originally Posted by evangelion2727 if you cant bluff someone off 2s after raising every street there is something wrong with your image or the amount you are betting.

This is limit, he can't control the amount of the bet only that he makes it. Without a clear and complete hand history, I can't comment on how the person played the 2s but it's perfectly reasonable. In many cases, this could be reasonable because you can reasonably put the pre-flop raiser on a hand like A-K or A-Q and be fairly certain the flop didn't help them. They might have a big pair but they aren't sure to have one. That turn surely didn't help the pre-flop raiser's hand (and this is where I believe the 2-2 hand should have raised and been willing to lay down the hand if reraised -- for the same cost as calling the river but without offering a free card to beat him if he was ahead). Now the river is not great for the 2-2 hand because K-Js, A-J, and QJs all made it with that card. But the pot is large enough that the 2-2 hand is almost compelled to call. The pot should be about $310 and he needs to call $40. He's getting almost 8-1 on this call and it's a huge mistake for him to fold the winning hand here. Crying call, for sure, but once he's gone this far and the pot has become this large... he makes it.

[Vito_Nuccio]

Yes, limit...................Hard to push someone off of a hand or draw. Even if one does not make the hand at the river, a call may be made by one with some crap pair, no kicker that beats your AK. In a limit game when the hand is heads up, you can be at the flop and only have to worry about one half bet and two full bets for the rest of the hand. Most draws will take this road, and will probably show down regardless.

If playing NL, the amount of your bet can vary to such a degree that now playing the unhelped AK to the river takes a different spin. You now have the ability to push someone off their hand.

Thanks Mikey........