Did I Play This Right? Thoughts?

[JonaBullets]

Before I get into this... I just want to say that I had been playing TAG the whole night, saw about 23% of flops etc.

The guy that one the hand called me a Donkey, and to be honest, I think i played the hand the right way.

(I tried to convert this. But I couldn't work it out!)

Full Tilt Poker Game #6132052934: Table Double Arch - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Holdem - 7:13:27 ET - 2008/04/22
Seat 1: BoMo71 ($10.35)
Seat 2: MrSuperhead ($24.50)
Seat 3: TheJax666 ($24.75)
Seat 4: marrora ($5.95)
Seat 5: paulsharkhunter ($37.70)
Seat 6: JonaBullets ($43.15)
Seat 7: bfCommander ($24.85)
Seat 8: katapoker ($10)
Seat 9: Mephisthotoles ($5.40)
TheJax666 posts the small blind of $0.10
marrora posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JonaBullets [9d 9c]
paulsharkhunter raises to $1.25
JonaBullets calls $1.25
bfCommander folds
katapoker folds
Mephisthotoles folds
BoMo71 folds
MrSuperhead folds
TheJax666 folds
marrora folds
*** FLOP *** [5s Js 4c]
paulsharkhunter bets $2
JonaBullets raises to $5
paulsharkhunter calls $3
*** TURN *** [5s Js 4c] [4h]
paulsharkhunter checks
JonaBullets checks
*** RIVER *** [5s Js 4c 4h] [Kh]
paulsharkhunter checks
JonaBullets checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JonaBullets shows [9d 9c] two pair, Nines and Fours
paulsharkhunter shows [Tc Td] two pair, Tens and Fours
paulsharkhunter wins the pot ($12.25) with two pair, Tens and Fours


In short: I call the preflop raise, and thinking he might have a pocket pair, or AK, AQ, he bets out on the flop... And i re-raised him. And then from there he calls, and its checked down. (In hindsight I should have bet the river when the King hit, but he might have called anyways)

The reason for this post is, after the hand, I was called a 'donkey', and asked why I re-raise every flop (which is untrue) I had re-raised the flop a couple of times, and only to protect my hands I had, like KK, and AA.

Thoughts on the hand? What would you have done?

[liladypokerpro]

Well take it with a grain of salt because I am known to be overly tight sometimes, but in this case with that bet of his and that flop, I would say 99 would be a fairly easy lay down considering he was the first to act and bet out then called your raise.

Most likely, he probably called you a donkey because he probably felt that you had him beat until he saw your hand --- and he probably was thinking to himself that if you had bet out, he'd have folded the best hand. So, with this said, the aggression could have paid you off rather than vice versa...then you wouldn't have had to show the bluff, and you would have taken down the pot. With playing aggressive comes risk...but with the risk comes great reward. When you sense weakness, jump on the opportunity. You'll find many times it will work to your advantage far more often than not.

In many cases, aggressiveness does tend to work in situations where you are heads up with a hole pair....but in this case I guess all I can really say is it was just bad timing, and a lack of aggression that cost you the pot...because the other player had you beat...and you didn't take the opportunity to push him out of the pot when he checked twice.

One thing you can't do.......don't EVER let table talk get to you. People do this intentionally to screw with your head, and if you let it get to you, it will end up costing you dearly. The best way to get back at someone talking smack is to ignore them and don't respond. If they see it's not getting your goat, they'll give up and leave you alone....and if they don't, that's what the good ol' "Block Chat" button is for!

[JonaBullets]

Yeah true about ignoring the table talk. Talking to to a friend of mine, he said I should have folded UTG, or put in a raise. But yeah. Sometimes my agression works and some times it doesnt. I didn't lose much from the hand so that was ok.

His BS, didnt upset me, it was more I was shocked by it. But oh well. I didn't tilt or make any bad plays by it. I ended up leaving the table soon after to watch TV.

8 hands in for the night i had AA... played it perfectly... and TT called me re-raise and hit a set on the river, but i said "NH" and rebought and kept playing my solid game, knowing the next time i had AA i would hopefully be more lucky, and I was. Ended up getting back to even on that table, and making some profits from 3 others. So it was a good night.

But I'll take your comments on board, and most likely next time lay it down. Cheers, lil lady.

[liladypokerpro]

Originally Posted by JonaBullets Yeah true about ignoring the table talk. Talking to to a friend of mine, he said I should have folded UTG, or put in a raise. But yeah. Sometimes my agression works and some times it doesnt. I didn't lose much from the hand so that was ok. His BS, didnt upset me, it was more I was shocked by it. But oh well. I didn't tilt or make any bad plays by it. I ended up leaving the table soon after to watch TV. 8 hands in for the night i had AA... played it perfectly... and TT called me re-raise and hit a set on the river, but i said "NH" and rebought and kept playing my solid game, knowing the next time i had AA i would hopefully be more lucky, and I was. Ended up getting back to even on that table, and making some profits from 3 others. So it was a good night. But I'll take your comments on board, and most likely next time lay it down. Cheers, lil lady.

Well I'm glad you've got a good head on your shoulders...many people would be affected by table trash talk. You have a good sense, and I'm sure you're a force to be reckoned with judging by your good attitude. Just remember one important thing: If you make up your mind to be aggressive in a hand, checking is not on the list of options. Best of luck!!! Cheers to you!!!

[JonaBullets]

Hehe. yeah. I should have bet the river. I was folding to a bet though. But yeah. It's all a learning curve.
Cheers again for your thoughts.

[Latrocinium]

Originally Posted by JonaBullets Hehe. yeah. I should have bet the river. I was folding to a bet though. But yeah. It's all a learning curve. Cheers again for your thoughts.

Actually I think you could have picked it up on the turn too.

Put yourself in his shoes, and play the hand through.(You should try to do this as much as possible.) I raised, and dude directly to my right re-raised. I'm saying pocket pair or nice A drawing to start with.

He bet the flop. You called, which I'm sure was a smooth call. So now he's thinking you spiked top pair or maybe hidden trips. As evidenced by his checking to you.

(Careful some players slow play aggressors)

If he checked on the turn. You should have bet about 1/2 pot. He would have probably thought you were value betting him and walked away. If he had you beat he would most likely raise and try to get your whole stack in.

I think lilLady is right. He called you a donk, cuz he thought you had him beat, and he would have folded.
The only donking was not following through on your aggression. Which like you said is learned, and I'm sure you'll be learning it quickly. I don't think ya donked. I think ya played safe.

Not a bad hand. At the very least you played it safe, and kept your stack. He could've been slow playing you or the like.

Sometimes it's better to wait and know you have someone, than try to make a hero play/call, and lose your whole stack.

Ofcourse my hand advice is circumstantial to the actual table play. The situation might have been different, but I think from what's described. This would have worked.

GL

[st_ever]

I like the pre flop call altough this maybe a little loose with no reads.

On the flop for me the re raise is too small. Looks a little scared. I think he may fold to a bigger re raise but it is very likely he calling you there with AK.

I think the guy was in check call mode on the turn so although following your line it would have been better to lead i still think he would have called a bet on the turn but who knows.

I think more aggression would have won you this hand and at these stakes most players dont handle post flop aggression very well especially with overcards.

[JonaBullets]

Thanks heaps for your help peops... After reading Latrocinium and st_ever posts, I've added alittle bit to my knowledge base. Also good to hear (well i hope so) that I wasn't really a donk in the hand, I just could have played it a bit more aggressively.

[parezee2006]

no, if you check raise the flop, lead out the turn if he checks it to you. otherwise the checkraise is pointless, esp with a scarecard like a king, ima love betting that.

[Rhythms]

I would call on the flop and fold on the turn. If he bets twice it's very likely he has the jack and if he can two barrel bluff more power to him as you only have midpair.

[iceveins0901]

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