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Old 20th May 2008, 11:08 PM
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Default do you call ALL IN on a draw?

you are put 'all in' for all your chips and have the nut flush draw
personally, I think you are crazy if you do call this
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Depends on stack sizes/opponents/previous betting/etc etc

Nothing wrong with getting allin with 12/15/more outers on the flop
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Kind of depends.....If you have two overs to the board which you think could give you the best hand, or a straight draw to go with the flush draw then I would do this all day long.
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I'll go all-in on a draw but the circumstances have to be really special for me to call all-in on a draw. I'd have to believe... and very strongly... that my draw was stronger than what the other person could be holding. Perhaps if I held:

A-Qs on a J-10-8 flop with 2 spades. Since I would have 2 overs, a double belly buster, and the flush draw. But I would have to be fairly certain that my opponent was putting those chips in light... with something like Q-J or K-J for example.

Edit: Also easier if it's a cash/ring game and not a tournament.
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I'll go all-in on a draw but the circumstances have to be really special for me to call all-in on a draw. I'd have to believe... and very strongly... that my draw was stronger than what the other person could be holding. Perhaps if I held:

A-Qs on a J-10-8 flop with 2 spades. Since I would have 2 overs, a double belly buster, and the flush draw. But I would have to be fairly certain that my opponent was putting those chips in light... with something like Q-J or K-J for example.

Edit: Also easier if it's a cash/ring game and not a tournament.
Why does he have to be light? You have better equity if he has anything other than a set...

Poker Odds Calculator twodimes.net
pokenum -h as qs - tc jc -- js ts 8h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Js Ts 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 515 52.02 466 47.07 9 0.91 0.525
Jc Tc 466 47.07 515 52.02 9 0.91 0.475

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pokenum -h as qs - 9c 7c -- js ts 8h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Js Ts 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 519 52.42 465 46.97 6 0.61 0.527
9c 7c 465 46.97 519 52.42 6 0.61 0.473

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pokenum -h as qs - 8c 8d -- js ts 8h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Js Ts 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 399 40.30 582 58.79 9 0.91 0.408
8c 8d 582 58.79 399 40.30 9 0.91 0.592

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On multible draws. I play omaha.
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I am not a big fan of calling big bets with draws. But, if shortstacked, the circumstance may dictate a shove with the nut flush draw and I would prefer it to be after the flop, not the turn to get two pulls.

This is one of my poker pet peeves, I hate having a good hand, bet properly, and the donk falls in love with any suited cards, once they flop a 4 flush, nothing is going to stop them. Good in the long run, but when they make it, my temp rises.

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I normally won't do it but it depends on the situation.
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I wouldn't do this as a rule, but as someone else said, if you have the nut flush draw with a straight possibility, then as long as there is no full house possibility I might take a gamble at it...but this would be an EXTREMELY rare case...
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