Folded AA

[PhillySteve6]

I was playing an online game. .05/.10 NL (9 players). I was in the small blind and was dealt AA. The utg open/raises .35, the c/o calls and I reraise to .90. Everyone else had folded. Now the utg raises me to $2 and the c/o and I both call. The flop is 48J rainbow. UTG bets another $2 and the c/o and I call. The turn is a 4 pairing the board and the UTG immediately pushes the remainder of his stack (approx. $5). C/O calls. I fold. UTG turns over KK and C/O shows AJs or something. River was a dead card and the Kings hold up. Simple question: Should I just have pushed all in (My stack was about 10.50 pre-flop) with the AA? I really hadn't seen the UTG play much yet. I thought for sure he had JJ and hit the set for the full house. I know (now) that he would have called my all-in pre-flop but I wasn't prepared to lose my whole stack at that point.

[brandog479]

Correct me if I'm doing the math wrong but there's $12 in the pot before he pushes you in for $5. After his push and before your call there is $22. Your getting better than 4 to 1 on your money. Do you feel you will win this hand more than 20% of the time? If so...call.

Also, if you get 20% of your stack in with aces preflop you're going to be a favorite when you get all in (in the long run).

I know this wasn't your question, but I would have raised on the flop.

Hope this helps.

[allthatremains]

Originally Posted by PhillySteve6 I was playing an online game. .05/.10 NL (9 players). I was in the small blind and was dealt AA. The utg open/raises .35, the c/o calls and I reraise to .90. Everyone else had folded. Now the utg raises me to $2 and the c/o and I both call. The flop is 48J rainbow. UTG bets another $2 and the c/o and I call. The turn is a 4 pairing the board and the UTG immediately pushes the remainder of his stack (approx. $5). C/O calls. I fold. UTG turns over KK and C/O shows AJs or something. River was a dead card and the Kings hold up. Simple question: Should I just have pushed all in (My stack was about 10.50 pre-flop) with the AA? I really hadn't seen the UTG play much yet. I thought for sure he had JJ and hit the set for the full house. I know (now) that he would have called my all-in pre-flop but I wasn't prepared to lose my whole stack at that point.

If you are not prepared to lose your whole stack pre flop with AA, you are either playing outside of your bankroll or shouldn't be playing poker at all.

[Vito_Nuccio]

When the 2nd re-raise to 2 bucks came back to you before the flop, that is when the big push should have come. You can not be afraid to raise (and re-raise big) before the flop with AA. There should be no fear of losing your stack at a no limit game, if you can not lose the stack, then you are playing at too high a level for your bankroll. Before the flop AA should not let other players get the last bet, re-raise.

Bye,

[Wyte22]

Originally Posted by PhillySteve6 I was playing an online game. .05/.10 NL (9 players). I was in the small blind and was dealt AA. The utg open/raises .35, the c/o calls and I reraise to .90. Everyone else had folded. Now the utg raises me to $2 and the c/o and I both call. The flop is 48J rainbow. UTG bets another $2 and the c/o and I call. The turn is a 4 pairing the board and the UTG immediately pushes the remainder of his stack (approx. $5). C/O calls. I fold. UTG turns over KK and C/O shows AJs or something. River was a dead card and the Kings hold up. Simple question: Should I just have pushed all in (My stack was about 10.50 pre-flop) with the AA? I really hadn't seen the UTG play much yet. I thought for sure he had JJ and hit the set for the full house. I know (now) that he would have called my all-in pre-flop but I wasn't prepared to lose my whole stack at that point.

I am curious why you decided to just call when you had UTG re-raise you to $2 and the CO called the $2? Even against KK your still a 4-1 favor and you sitting there having to call $2 into a $4.15 pot. This is an instant all-in no brainer, no questions, call the police and kick the cat if you get run over. Since you smooth called the re-re-raised, why in the world did you just call $2 on the flop? you have sex compared to what everyone else has. Your the Hugh Huffnar on that board. soo you put $2 in on a flop with one obvious str8 draw, into the $10.15 pot, I am sorry, this is still obvious all in (profit is $8.15 [12.15 in pot if they fold, $4 is yours] if they fold right now). 4 comes off on river and you get scared because someone pushes? for $5? you just called $4 between PF and Flop but you get scared when someone bets $5 on a blank? if someone had a 4 in all this, I would love to play them. Over the long-run, they will give me sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money. Plus, your calling $5 into a $22.15 pot, so your getting better odds here than calling $2 into a $6 pot and so on.

Lastly, you said, that you don't want to lose your whole stack, with AA. PF, what beats AA? nothing, soo it is very likely that you would have won and won alot cuz KK will call. If you aren't willing to play AA to max profits, go back to play money games or the .01/.02 lvl if your poker room has it. because you obviously are not ready to play for real money yet. you need more hands and experience under your belt before you do Please don't take this post the wrong way, your honest with yourself, that's good but you need to grow a pair before you play NL holdem.

[liladypokerpro]

This is one of those times where you simply gave another player too much credit for a big hand, and made an incorrect choice. It happens...don't dwell on it too much. According to the numbers you gave I'm pretty sure whether you thought you were beat or not, his final push in relation to the pot justified a call there. At any rate, just chalk it up to experience and keep learning.

[HeyKidMove]

IMO, the hand was played badly the whole way. First of all your first reraise should have been bigger and then after UTG reraised you, you should have pushed. You obviously have the best hand pf, and even after the flop you are ahead WAY to often to be folding there.

[iceveins0901]

forgive me if someone else posted the same thing, i havent looked at replies.

I dont like your play preflop, flop, or turn.

Pre flop, you have the best hand at the time right? RAISE

On the flop, SB (you) checks, UTG bets $2 and the CO calls, making the pot ~$10.... Shove the rest of your chips in here, this is where you made your biggest mistake.

The turn, you are getting ~$22 to 5 on your money, and you have Aces on a fairly dry board, only two hands beat you JJ and 88, get your cash in.

now I will read the replies and maybe post again.


[edit] lol i am a donkey, i should have read the posts, its all the same info over and over, its threads like these where i can just "sit back and wait for a better spot" and not post, oh well, I was excited about the original post

[123bird]

if it were me i would of push all in before the flop,or at the very least i would of had to have called.

[stonesoft]

I agree that the hand was played too timidly. With AA u could of went over the top of the reraise and atleast eliminate the cutoff and got your $ in with the best of it. Second I think if you gave the hand a bit more thought with his raises preflop he must of not hit trips on the flop... mayb JJ but highly unlikely.

[wilsonmja]

I've folded aces with a 7s9s2h flop. I bet, 1 guy raises the other guy RR all-in. I saw the look on the betters face at this and knew he had a set. I folded and better had set of nines while raiser had spade draw. Turn As (flush for all-in guy), river 2d....D'OOOOOHH.

Just gotta play them aces.

[mafalda34]

the call on the flop was wrong to me. i would have raise to see where im at. You really have to put your opponenent on a big pair or maybe AK after the reraise, so folding because a jack fell doesnt make sense.

I think thats what happens when you are playing bigger than what u can afford, you are constantly afraid of losing your money because its a big part of your bankroll.

[irishpkr]

You cant raise the flop to 'see where you're at' because regardless of what you 'find out' you're more than pot committed. You raise for value/protection. Should reraise to $1.50 or so pre, get it all in the flop as played. As is its a simple, fistpump call the allin