Folding Trips

[charleychacko]

I played in a Live tourney last night, a ?15 freezeout with 45 entrants. After maybe 15 people were out, I'd roughly quadrupled my stack to around 8000, when the following hand happened.

I was in the BB with 4h 4d, blinds were 150/300, two limpers, small blind folded, I checked, so there's 1050 in the pot.

The flop comes out 4c 7c 9c, giving me trip fours, but with three clubs showing I was a bit worried. As first to act, I decided to bet out and try to chase away anyone with a single club. I bet 600, the next guy folded, and the guy on the button called with no hesitation. The pot is now 2250.

The turn was 2c, so now there's four clubs showing, and I'm pretty convinced that this guy's made his flush (if he hadn't already). I check, and he immediately throws in a 2000 bet, leaving himself with about 1000. I've got roughly 7000 chips left, and after thinking about it for a while, I folded. As I did, I turned my cards over (probably a mistake) to show him what I'd given up, and three or four guys on the table immediately ripped into me, telling me I should have re-raised him all-in with trips. I pointed out the obvious flush, and the guy who'd won said, "I had nothing, I bluffed you out". I congratulated him on a nice bet, and said once again that I couldn't call the bet because of the flush draw.

They continued on at me for about two or three minutes, saying I should have knocked him out by re-raising, and that as the chip leader I could have took the loss of 3000 chips, but I didn't want to (in my opinion at the time) just hand over half my stack to his flush.

As it happens, I went on to finish 4th, higher than any of the players on my table, so I felt justified in my actions, and even afterwards when I calculated my pot odds, I still believe I was right to fold.

So, was I, or would you have pushed him all in hoping he was bluffing?

[kimball24]

well you need to look at the odds and the likelihoods. let's assume he had the flush (even though he said he didn't, he almost 100 percent did anyway). after his bet, there was 4250 in the pot, costing you 2000 to call. so you were getting slightly better than 2 to 1 on the call, raising in unecessary because he has to call his last 1000 into a 9000+ pot. so having a set, the river gives you 9 chances to be better than a flush. you're about 25% to improve on the river. i would say that the chances of him not having the flush are equal to the chances of him having a higher set, so the all in all you have 9 outs to win the hand. being the chip leader it is a thing that you could attempt to bust him, but 75% of the time you're losing another 3k in chips. i think it's a good fold in this situation, but a bad show, showing your hands is almost never a good thing to do.

[Cryys]

there is no way you push him all in

FLOP
you got set and you bet it. you get called. ITS OVER
1. he can have the flush
2. he might have the Ac

TURN
you could bet because of the difference of the stack, something like 1200, to make him fold, or go all in
you decide to check, (obvious play with 4th club in my opinion) and he bet.
even if his bet is strange (2000 for a 3000stack) it is an easy fold

kimball24 : charley got 10 outs not 9
he got tree 7 , tree 9, tree 2 and .... the last 4 !

[AcousticLicks]

He obviously had a club to be calling you at the flop....a quick call is for a draw. My theory. Good laydown

[natisfinest]

I agree it was a good lay down. I dont agree with the first person talking about odds. If you feel your beat in a tourney lay it down. But I feel your bet on the flop out of position was not a good one. Two times the bb raise isnt going to chase out a flush draw most the time. In early position there I would of checked it and hoped to see the river cheap. If he bets big dont be afraid to lay your hand down, but who knows if you see the river for say a grand you might hit a boat and now your the one knocking him out and increasing your chip lead. But i feel there is no need to grow the pot here with 2 guys sitting behind you. More than likely one is going to call leaving you in a bad position.

[DodgyBiscuits]

Originally Posted by charleychacko I decided to bet out and try to chase away anyone with a single club. I bet 600

I think a bet closser to the value of the pot would be necessary to achieve this.