Instead Of Just Posting Ficticious Hand Situations.....

[stoffmakers]

like what if ur on the bubble with KK and someone else pushes....how often do these situations really occur. instead of just focusing on all this what if crap, try posting actual hands where action actually occurs and can be dictated. cuz anyone can just play out a hand in their mind any way.

[liladypokerpro]

Some folks might post ficticious scenarios simply to see what the average answer is to the question, so that when they do come upon that situation, they will have an idea of what to do without making a costly mistake.

Just a thought...I could be wrong, but it's the only logical reason I can see for posting a hand that never happened...you know, sort of like future reference...

[Vito_Nuccio]

Originally Posted by stoffmakers ....how often do these situations really occur.

They occur every second!

There are only 52 cards in the deck and a limited amount of permutations between hands, chip stacks, and position. Any scenerio one of us decides to print has already occurred and will again. There are millions of poker players playing billions of hands online. If we can think of a situation, somebody has already been there and done that.

Discussion is what these forums are all about, and our topic is poker. Any rakeback member should feel free to openly present a topic for discussion, regardless if they have been in that situation or not.

Thanks,

[frob23]

I actually thought/think the KK on the bubble hand was an actual hand. And I responded with the belief that it was an actual hand. How often does it happen? Often enough that I've seen very similar hands dozens of times.

Besides, these are problems people will run into while playing. And misplaying them can be costly because they will happen all the time. I do know of one poker author who stated that not all hands were worthy of discussion... but he was talking about the "how to get the most out of your royal flush"-type discussions. Ones where you are certain to win and there's not a whole lot you can mess up. And even if you mess it up, it's so rare that it won't cost you much in the long run. The same author said that if your error was to instantly open-fold every time you made a Royal Flush (the absolute worst way you could play it) that error would cost you less over a lifetime than errors you make 20 times a session with more common hands. So debating how to play it perfectly is pointless because that hand isn't one which will have much long term impact on your expectations.

Misplaying Ks can be a very costly error and is something that can happen often enough to really hurt you over time.

[stoffmakers]

i was talking more along the lines of those threads where its like would u ever fold 33 preflop. sorry if u misinterpreted what i said somewhat, but i was just trying to say that providing concrete questions that actually happened, especially with results, is a lot better than just throwing random situations that 'could' occur cuz anything can occur. for example, when i was playing in a live game last week, someone asked if in the first hand of the WSOP, u were in the bb with AA and everyone pushed before you, would you call? (im not looking for a response to this question btw, although the answer is sooo obv)

[frob23]

Originally Posted by stoffmakers i was talking more along the lines of those threads where its like would u ever fold 33 preflop. sorry if u misinterpreted what i said somewhat, but i was just trying to say that providing concrete questions that actually happened, especially with results, is a lot better than just throwing random situations that 'could' occur cuz anything can occur. for example, when i was playing in a live game last week, someone asked if in the first hand of the WSOP, u were in the bb with AA and everyone pushed before you, would you call? (im not looking for a response to this question btw, although the answer is sooo obv)

lol, I've seen that very question spawn over 100 pages of forum response and some serious number crunching by a member who was trying to find the maximum number of players before you experienced -EV with an all-in call in that spot with AA. And I don't think the solution was that obvious.

Anyway, I have been guilty of deny results for a hand before, where results weren't important. The results are just one hand... the correct play is every time.

Oh well, you can't stop people from posting threads... so all I can do is ignore those that I don't find interesting enough.

[stoffmakers]

frob, the point is NEVER EVER EVER will 9 ppl go all in before you when you wake up with AA in the BB in the WSOP.

[frob23]

Originally Posted by stoffmakers frob, the point is NEVER EVER EVER will 9 ppl go all in before you when you wake up with AA in the BB in the WSOP.

But does that mean the question itself is not without merit or discussion? If someone doesn't want to discuss it, they don't have to. But some people might find it an interesting "what if" scenario.

[stoffmakers]

wtvr, ill be a realist.

[AkaFlash]

Originally Posted by stoffmakers frob, the point is NEVER EVER EVER will 9 ppl go all in before you when you wake up with AA in the BB in the WSOP.

1) I'd just like to point out that the people who read this board for poker advice generally are not playing at that level. I see more questions from beginner players wanting to learn more about the game and improve skills.

2) by saying don't post such threads, this forum becomes less active than it already is.

You want to know how often these theoretical hands happen....well maybe someone can answer this.

pot/limit omaha hi.

hand 1) AAAK hand 2) KKKK3.......10-15 hands later 4)AKQT suited.

It just boggles my mind why someone would post a thread asking readers to not post hands for discussion.

just my 2 cents.

[liladypokerpro]

Stoff, I am a realist too, but the reality of this forum is like AkaFlash said....there are few people here that know everything about every aspect of the game, so the forum is for everyone to talk about whatever floats their boat (no pun intended).

Curiosity and asking questions is the only way human beings can learn and grow. In the game of poker, there are endless possible scenarios......some of us may never live to see one of these scenarios, such as the 9 people all in at a WSOP table while you hold AA......but the wonderful thing is, we can use our imaginations and play out in our mind how a situation like that might end up. And there are so many different people here that it could play out in any way, making for some really interesting stories. Personally, I like questions which put the mind to a challenge....helps to keep sharp and fresh. Just because it is not a real life example doesn't make it less worthy of a post.

The wonderful thing about forums is freedom of choice. If you see something that doesn't take your interest, simply move on to the next topic and leave the other behind for someone else to take advantage of.

I think part of the problem with the lack of posting is the fact that there are some members that like to over-analyze other members, and criticize them or their play (or their post in general) --- so it makes them shy away from posting real life situations for fear of being grilled. I can't say I blame them...advice is one thing, criticizing is quite another.