The KQ suited debate....

[liladypokerpro]

Okay the fellas are arguing again.....this time about KQ suited.

One of them believes it is a premium raising hand, and will 100% of the time raise with it.

The other guy says "Are you kidding? KQ suited is just asking for a suck-out!"

They are arguing over pre-flop move with KQ suited....in general, whether tourney or cash game....they're just arguing over it. LOL

What do YOU think about KQ suited?

[wiseman1016]

you guys suck at poker

[frob23]

How and when I play KQs depends a lot on the conditions at the table and the stack sizes in relation to the blinds. It also depends on my position and what has happened before me. Usually, if I am first in the pot with it, I am raising it pre-flop. But this is not a hand I want to call a reraise with pre-flop. It's just too easily dominated. I also don't really want to call a raise with it most of the time. If a loose player raises and there are a couple callers in front of me, maybe. But I am not looking to hit one pair and go anywhere with this hand in those conditions. I am looking for two pair or better on the flop.

[MikeyInc]

I Think You Have To Raise BIG.. Force Out the Possible Ace Ya Know A 7 Off Suit.. that Normal People Throw Away (Chris Ferguson) K Q Suited is Strong In My Experence

[liladypokerpro]

Originally Posted by wiseman1016 you guys suck at poker

If you don't want to participate in the thread like an adult, please keep your wise cracks to yourself.

[MikeyInc]

Let me Guess He Would Bluff a ALL In ?

[irishpkr]

As a 6max cash player, sometimes I raise/fold it UTG/UTG+1, again depending on image/table conditions. I'm raising first in with it in CO and button, avoiding calling a reraise with it 99% of the time

[MrToymaker]

Originally Posted by frob23 How and when I play KQs depends a lot on the conditions at the table and the stack sizes in relation to the blinds. It also depends on my position and what has happened before me. Usually, if I am first in the pot with it, I am raising it pre-flop. But this is not a hand I want to call a reraise with pre-flop. It's just too easily dominated. I also don't really want to call a raise with it most of the time. If a loose player raises and there are a couple callers in front of me, maybe. But I am not looking to hit one pair and go anywhere with this hand in those conditions. I am looking for two pair or better on the flop.

Exactly my thinking. Its a playable hand and it can be a profitable hand ,but its beatable.

[JonaBullets]

It's a raise of fold kinda hand i think. Unless you feeling lucky that the flop will be AhJhTh, and you have KhQh in your hand.
I would be less likely to raise with it if there was already a few callers, although the price is good, come the flop, you need to hit big, like a flush draw or 2 pair, maybe even trips.
Then also, depending on the type of table your playing on. Loose table, be worth just calling with it, see what happens. Tight table, a raise and continuation bet would work too.
In a tourny its a bit harder to play. Last night I was playing in a tourny, and KsQs raised and was called by AA, flop was AQQ, bet/call. turn K. all in/call. So yeah. even sometimes its a bad hand.
That's my opinion anyways.

[dew12109]

Originally Posted by JonaBullets So yeah. even sometimes its a bad hand. That's my opinion anyways.

So is every single other hand in poker given the right flop turn and river.

[JonaBullets]

True, but thats where the beauty of bluffing comes into play. Unless your agaist 8 calling stations. Arrg!

[liladypokerpro]

LOL I hear ya there...

[Vito_Nuccio]

Big suited connectors, big drawing hand. Yes you can raise and win with it, but the hand needs help to win if called. It can not beat A-rag without help. This is just another suited connector with a better chance to have top pair good kicker, not top kicker. KQ suited needs to be treated like the hand it is, drawing. You could easily be dominated by AK or AQ, both hands people will play more often then KQ.

Thanks,

[Brooklynbum]

I don't think it's so bad to raise with K/Q suited. Just be ready to fold in case you hit something like top pair or something because you can be way behind. You have to have the ability to get away from a hand like this if you hit top pair for example and the bandit is calling or re-raising your C-bet for example.

You'd have to think that if somebody held A/K or A/Q or stronger would re-raise and then you could fold this hand...but then again some of these players will just cold call with a monster when facing an early raise so this hand can be tricky to play.

In any event, anytime I play a hand like K/Q, Q/J, A/x suited or even something as high like A/J suited, I'm playing for the flush or at least two pair. I'm not playing these hands to hit top pair for example because that's asking for trouble.

Hope this helps...

[123bird]

Originally Posted by liladypokerpro Okay the fellas are arguing again.....this time about KQ suited. One of them believes it is a premium raising hand, and will 100% of the time raise with it. The other guy says "Are you kidding? KQ suited is just asking for a suck-out!" They are arguing over pre-flop move with KQ suited....in general, whether tourney or cash game....they're just arguing over it. LOL What do YOU think about KQ suited?

I agree with you raising with KQ suited is the right play,Me personally I would take KQ suited over AK 99% of the time(only because I never ever win with AK)

[mikeyu21]

This is a hand i like to disguise. in a cash game why raise and ruin the value up front. i like limpin with suited cards to gain volume. Tournaments i play ultra aggresive anyways because i only play to win

[Latrocinium]

I like mikey's idea.

This can be a fishy hand.

In late, on a tight table. I might try to take down a quick pot, but unless I get some monster draw or top pair, top 2 pair more likely. Then I'm not to fond of it.(Have flopped a str8 a couple of times )

In mid to early, I'm calling.

But unlike AA, KK, QQ this is hand I will frequently fold to a good display of strength. Say a double re-raise, or anything like that.

This is a hand that can get you in a lot of trouble. Say it's suited and there's a 4 flush on the board. Ur Q makes that flush. Well unless the A of ur flush is on the board. I'd be check calling. I've seen top 2 pair, while someone else caught the str8 w AJ.

I'm cautious about what's going on with this hand.

[StraightFlusher]

I don't think this is a premium hand at all. Obviously it totally depends on the situation. If it's late in a tourney and eveyone folds to me on the button, I'm going to be confident raising this hand and trying to steal a pot, but that doesn't make it a premium hand at all.
This is just asking for trouble. Think about how commonly you are going to be dominated if someone calls your raise. Even if you hit your K or Q on the flop you have to think that if a person called a raise preflop they are possibly going to have AK, AQ, or even AA, KK, QQ.
and great they are sooooted........ I would much rather limp in with A2 suited than KQ suited. Even if you hit 2 or 3 of your suit on the flop you can't be confident you have the nut flush. another person could have very easily called with Ace anything of the same suit and hit a higher flush.
Anyways, my point is that when I play a hand I'm looking to be aggressive with my premium hand, or hit the nuts with any other hand. with KQ you can never be positive you hit top pair top kicker and never be positive you hit nut flush. Although I play the hand frequently, I do NOT think it's a premium hand.

[StraightFlusher]

ha oops, should have read the post right before me that I completely agreed with.... oh well, I agree with you!

[Latrocinium]

Originally Posted by StraightFlusher ha oops, should have read the post right before me that I completely agreed with.... oh well, I agree with you!

ROFLMAO

Nice rant though.