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Old 8th September 2006, 10:49 AM
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Default Suited J-10, opinions?

How do you feel about starting with suited J-10?

Assuming flop is along the lines of K and 7 of same suit as your hand and 9 of different suit.

How hard to you push early on?
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Old 8th September 2006, 10:58 AM
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15 outs to propably a winning hand, so push very hard if you get enough callers to cover the odds.
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Old 8th September 2006, 08:04 PM
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I like my chances, especially with the flop being in my suit as well. I would push softly, to sweeten the pot. If I get another suited, I'm coming on strong!
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I'd have gone all in to scare my opponents and hopefully get the flush..
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I would agree with kelkat on this one. I would slow play it off the flop. Then on the turn if i hit bet a medium amount to get a call then on river i'm all in
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I would look to burn this one slowly in the hope of getting the drop.

Slowly build up the stakes, and see who follows you in. Then hit them with a big bet and try to scare them off. Its a nice hand to start with.
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Old 22nd November 2006, 05:48 AM
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Yes betting on the flop here serves both the purpose of building a pot and camouflaging your hand to a degree (ah, the strength of the semibluff...). The specific amount depends on how observant your opponents are, since varying your bet size too much will give out info. If playing against inexperienced players I'd build the pot with a small bet, but against better players I'd make the bet over half the pot. In a fixed limit game this is of course irrelevant
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Old 22nd November 2006, 05:53 AM
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With 15 outs on the flop you're more than 50% favorite to hit your hand, and while it's possible that you might still lose (someone catching a full house or a better flush), I'd be very satisfied if I got to push allin on this flop even against one opponent (more opponents let you lose some outs and still make the push profitable if you get callers).

If you go to the turn and haven't gone allin yet, your hand weakens a lot.
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That's a good hand. I wouldn't mind calling all the way for it. You have a higher chance on winning that hand so if I had that hand, I would push the game a little harded so other players will either call or most likely, fold.
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Old 12th December 2006, 03:27 AM
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I don't like this hand out of position especially to a raise preflop and few players.

However if no raise preflop, and the flop comes as mentioned, it's 2/3 way, and you have position and you get bet into, I'd reraise. You might win it right there. If not and he calls quickly and he seems fairly strong or is a calling station you can check behind on the turn for a freecard. If he takes a long time to call on the flop and you put him on very weak kicker / mid pair it's worth another shot on the turn. If you hit a non-flush gutter on river bet more than you would than if the flush came.

The push all-in approach gets alot of value from someone folding their top pair however alot of low limit players have trouble folding and the same can be achieved with a normal raise as above. In fact I'd say typical calling stattion might be more likely to call if you overbet allin since they'll tend to put people on bluffs.
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I believe it's a good hand. There's a good chance to draw a flush. So if I had that hand, I would push softly to raise the pot (just to make sure). At twice the pot, if no one calls, i would call and then raise strong, regardless of card drawn.
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This hand is good on the flop only. If the flush hits, you can't expect many callers on the turn. Even if the straight hits, you can not be sure you have the best straight on the turn. The idea must be to get as much money in the pot as possible on the flop. How to do it depends on the players at the table. Check-raise, small bet -raise-raise, big bet - raise - all-in.

What ever!

You want a big pot and all-in on the flop, if you can. Only allin is to little to win, and NOT allin makes tha hand difficult to play later, thus big pot AND allin on the flop (if you can).

If you are the other guy and you beleive someone has a perfect draw. What should you do?
I think the best would be to only call and make a move on the turn if no flush card hits. Any comments?
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I love JTs. It's one of those hands that if it hits, you can break a player with it. However, I play the hand extremely rarely if there's a pre-flop raise, unless I have decent information on the raiser. Out of position I don't play if I get raised after I limp in. On the other hand, I like to raise pre-flop with this hand most of the time, simply because if it doesn't hit, I still have a fairly decent chance of driving the callers out with a c-bet.
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