Trips scenario...

[liladypokerpro]

I'm just curious how people would react in the following scenario. Now, this is just off the top of my head so I'll give as much info as I can think of and hopefully it's correct enough to get some good ideas from people on what they'd do. So have fun...here you go:

You're deep in a NLHE turbo tournament, only 12 places left til payout.
You've got $6600 in chips with the blinds being 200/400.
You are sitting as 4th best in chips at the current table; leader has $16K, next best to you has $8800, and one guy is just above that.
You haven't been at this table long because you got moved, so no real solid reads yet.
Of 10 seats, there are 8 people at this table.


Now....so far, you notice that the leader is making massive preflop raises the first few hands you've been dealt at this new table. You also notice that no one at the table is taking any risk against him. One guy finally does go all in against him about 4 hands in, and the leader shows a monster, and the caller is put out. You make a mental note to keep a sharp eye on the leader at this point, but don't put any solid information on him just yet.

Another hand comes and goes...with only 7 people now left at your table, and again, the leader makes a huge raise and everyone folds to him.


On the 6th hand, you are dealt 66 in the BB.

Everyone folds to the leader who is on the button, and as usual, he makes a massive 2000 raise into you.
You think for a moment...perhaps this is a positional raise...and you decide to see a flop...

Flop: 6 2 A

What is your next move on this flop and why?

[irishpkr]

I think I'll just check it to him here, we got about one pot size bet left ($4600 left and pot is $4600 too if quick addition is right). We basically got the deck crushed here, so I'll check to see if he wants to take a shot. If he has 2 diamonds and we're giving a free card, so be it, but I reckon he'll fire on the flop with 4 to a flush anyway imo.

In this spot I don't really think it matters if we shove the flop or wait for him to do it, we're short, he knows we're short, we know he knows etc. But overall there's more hands he'll bet with than he will call with I think, and we might let him catch up with something like KQ if he spikes a pair, so for me, its a check

[Vito_Nuccio]

You are still pretty new to this table, but is seems safe to say a check here, expected raise by the leader and an all-in reponse is in order.

Bubble near or not, we are trying to get all of our chips in here with a set.

Later,

[powrdragn]

I have to agree with the others here. If the leader is going to be as aggressive as you say, I think we check and let him try to push us off the hand.

He probably assumes we have two big cards. If we don't bet the Ace, he's likely going to be to represent it. For all we know, he might genuinely have an Ace and that's cool too. But, regardless, he's likely going to be close to what we have, and we put the last of it in there.

That is a nice spot to double up and it puts you near the leaders.

[Huskers314]

Check-raising all in seems standard here. If he checks behind, I shove the turn.

For what it's worth, I'm folding 66 preflop to a 5x raise on the bubble from a player who can stack me. Or, if you think he's just pushing you around, go for the resteal by shoving before the flop. Are we really set mining for a third of our chips? If so, you got undeservedly lucky because that is a terrible play IMO. Regardless, you hit....how can we proceed any way other than getting all our chips into the middle?

[Vito_Nuccio]

Originally Posted by Huskers314 Check-raising all in seems standard here. If he checks behind, I shove the turn.

Yes, that has not been mentioned, I agree, if villian checks behind, push the turn.

Also, Huskers, where do I get a burger like that! Damn, everytime I see one of your posts I see this awesome burger and get hungary!

Later,

[liladypokerpro]

Originally Posted by huskers314 For what it's worth, I'm folding 66 preflop to a 5x raise on the bubble from a player who can stack me.

Of course, I agree but again, this is just a mythical situation...one to show where someone might not necessarily get themselves in a good spot, but end up in a really good spot. Then again, we only know that the leader has been extremely aggressive PRE flop, so we don't know what is actions would be after... That's what makes this interesting I think...

[Huskers314]

Originally Posted by Vito_Nuccio Yes, that has not been mentioned, I agree, if villian checks behind, push the turn. Also, Huskers, where do I get a burger like that! Damn, every time I see one of your posts I see this awesome burger and get hungry! Later,

I have no idea where the picture is from.....just saw it online once and knew that it had to be my avatar. The helmet is my favorite part.

[stevebw]

I guess whatever happens all ur chips are going in. So I would In that situation make a small bet giving the Impression you might be hunting.If another Diamond pops considering he just calls, no more messing in they go.Regardless If he has hit flush you still have the paired board outs.Hope that helps,as ever there are many ways to skin a cat.Man that Is an awesome burger!!!

[Krahsami]

No real choice. we all know were spending money with this hand. At this point in the tourney every chip counts , Especially a raised pot. TAKE IT DOWN.
This also sends a message that you wont be pushed around.
With a diamond draw out there and str8 draw although I doubht they raised with 34 or 45 you never know with a chip leader that has position and is aggressive.
IM NOT GIVING A FREE DRAW AT THIS STAGE IN A TOURNEY WITH A RAISED POT, END OF STORY PUT THEM TO THE DECISION. Dont give him a chance to bluff and get priced in, to possibly suck out. Only 1 hand beats ya so far AA and if hes got it, then hes got it and its a cooler and not your night. Other than that you got your $ in best and even if you lose by a suck out you still made the right choice at the time.
If they fold then you take down an important pot to make the bubble.
If they call and miss even better
If you try checkraising and and no one does bet your giving that free card and if a diamond does drop and you lose to that flush you now got your $ in worst.

If there were no draws to beat ya then ya check raise but in this situation a pot like this could mean difference between making the $ or not. This isnt the time to be fancy. PUSH and hope that agressive little BA%*^&% isnt holding AA. Get in best.

[nebster]

First, I would call the raise pre-flop and hope for the set. I could push allin but the best I am probaly getting is a coin flip or I am 80/20 dog to a higher pp. With the amount of chips I still have I have a few more bites at the apple, so calling the raise is not so bad. This can be done both ways, I really just think it is a matter of each players style.

After the flop, I would check-raise for sure. If he has an Ace...he is coming. If he has a flush draw, he would probaly semi-bluff it. If he checks, we might even check again on the turn if it is not a dangerious card, if it is I would push allin.

Some people might call this a risky way to play this, but it is near the end and to get a double up at this point would put you in the drivers seat.

[liladypokerpro]

As I suspected, some pretty diverse responses, but most agree getting all in would be the ideal move in this situation. Glad to have so much participation in this thread. Keep them coming.

[Wyte22]

I am all in on the flop (of course i'll think about it for a minute then just move in).......He's been pushing people around and he'll probably think I am trying to push back. He's gonna show down AT thru AK majority of the time and think it is still good in the face of the ALL in by you. If he is super aggressive (like he is described) he'll risk majority of his stack on a 4 to 1 shot (if he is indeed drawing on the flush but I don't think he is, Ax majority of the time) on the flop to eliminate another player. You must be willing to go broke to win big and cash big!