Well Played?

[MikeyInc]

Hey Guys did i play this right ?? .. or was i walking into disaster !!!

Table 2 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:02:44 ET - 2008/06/26
Seat 1: theenlows (1,110), is sitting out
Seat 2: Bad Brent (1,095), is sitting out
Seat 3: charmedsouth (8,140)
Seat 4: csmaus (3,400)
Seat 5: MikeyInc (880)
Seat 6: Erick71 (6,990)
Seat 8: schneeman83 (1,330), is sitting out
Seat 9: alization (4,055)
MikeyInc posts the small blind of 60
Erick71 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MikeyInc [Th 2s]
schneeman83 folds
alization calls 120
theenlows folds
Bad Brent folds
charmedsouth calls 120
csmaus is sitting out
csmaus folds
MikeyInc calls 60
Erick71 checks
*** FLOP *** [7s Td 8d]
MikeyInc bets 480
Erick71 folds
alization has 15 seconds left to act
alization calls 480
charmedsouth calls 480
*** TURN *** [7s Td 8d] [Ts]
MikeyInc checks
alization bets 1,920
charmedsouth calls 1,920
MikeyInc calls 280, and is all in
*** RIVER *** [7s Td 8d Ts] [5d]
alization has 15 seconds left to act
alization checks
charmedsouth bets 5,620, and is all in
csmaus has returned
alization has 15 seconds left to act
alization folds
Uncalled bet of 5,620 returned to charmedsouth
charmedsouth wins the side pot (3,280)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
charmedsouth shows [Jh 7h] two pair, Tens and Sevens
MikeyInc shows [Th 2s] three of a kind, Tens
MikeyInc wins the main pot (2,760) with three of a kind, Tens
The blinds are now 80/160
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,040 Main pot 2,760. Side pot 3,280. | Rake 0
Board: [7s Td 8d Ts 5d]
Seat 1: theenlows didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Bad Brent didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: charmedsouth showed [Jh 7h] and won (3,280) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 4: csmaus (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: MikeyInc (small blind) showed [Th 2s] and won (2,760) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 6: Erick71 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: schneeman83 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: alization folded on the River

[Jarlsberg]

You were pretty short stacked and that ten-high flop was as good as you could have hoped for. I'd have done the same.

[BtrGetThere]

Fold preflop and find a better spot. T2 is no good even if you get in cheap from sb. You got lucky because with that many limpers the ten on flop normally hits someone, and that someone has a better kicker.

[MikeyInc]

even with a preflop flush draw ?

[irishpkr]

2words: fold pre

[phaul]

Definitely fold pre. The only flop you can play is the one you got. Also maybe bet less on flop, although pot is prob OK.

Also, lol at btrgetthere, how dooes the ten on the flop usually hit someone else?? In a 4-way limped pot he's good there most times.

[gamer4life27]

Wow, why is everyone telling him to fold? He is in the SB and there was no raises in front of him. But your raise on the flop was pretty unnecessary.

You are short stack. The reason I say that your raise on the flop was unnecessary was because you should have pushed. 10 high with your stack and that flop with that many people in the pot is pretty scary. There is 600 in the pot already, and you only have 760 behind you. It's either you want to play this pot or not. And with that short stack, with those blinds, and that flop with your hole cards, it's the perfect time to try and get lucky or bust out trying.

Your raise on the flop was something that you should have done, but not a bet according to the pot. You have to think about your stack size as well. When you raised all but 280, you basically put yourself all in. The other 2 people in the pot know this, that's why they bet what they did. They knew you were going to go all in, so they tried to create a side pot for themselves.

There was nothing wrong with your play, but your check on the turn was pretty dumb (no offense). But you should have shoved. I could see why you checked, to get them to think you had nothing and try to bluff you out, but you committed yourself all in, so why not push? Both the flop and the turn were both great opportunity's to go all in.

Now there was nothing wrong with your play, as you got three people to call you with only two pair and a gut shot, while the other person folded (most likely a busted straight draw). I would have pushed on the turn being first to act, and I would have just check-called on the flop or check-folded depending on how the action went. So there was nothing wrong with your play, it just could have been played a bit differently with the same results.

[MikeyInc]

Originally Posted by gamer4life27 Wow, why is everyone telling him to fold? He is in the SB and there was no raises in front of him. But your raise on the flop was pretty unnecessary. You are short stack. The reason I say that your raise on the flop was unnecessary was because you should have pushed. 10 high with your stack and that flop with that many people in the pot is pretty scary. There is 600 in the pot already, and you only have 760 behind you. It's either you want to play this pot or not. And with that short stack, with those blinds, and that flop with your hole cards, it's the perfect time to try and get lucky or bust out trying. Your raise on the flop was something that you should have done, but not a bet according to the pot. You have to think about your stack size as well. When you raised all but 280, you basically put yourself all in. The other 2 people in the pot know this, that's why they bet what they did. They knew you were going to go all in, so they tried to create a side pot for themselves. There was nothing wrong with your play, but your check on the turn was pretty dumb (no offense). But you should have shoved. I could see why you checked, to get them to think you had nothing and try to bluff you out, but you committed yourself all in, so why not push? Both the flop and the turn were both great opportunity's to go all in. Now there was nothing wrong with your play, as you got three people to call you with only two pair and a gut shot, while the other person folded (most likely a busted straight draw). I would have pushed on the turn being first to act, and I would have just check-called on the flop or check-folded depending on how the action went. So there was nothing wrong with your play, it just could have been played a bit differently with the same results.

Yeah I see what your saying. I was Short Stacked and it didn't register that i was out of danger so i figured the 2somthing was the icing on the cake so i slow played that with the check is all.

[awolfyavis]

Short Stacked 3 of a kind with river still to come. Any board paired-up on the river definitely wins the hand. Check on the turn was fine as you're were essentially all in with trips anyway and why not have somebody bet with #@! at the pot. Pretty much a no-brainer in my book.

[irishpkr]

Originally Posted by gamer4life27 Wow, why is everyone telling him to fold? He is in the SB and there was no raises in front of him.

I hope you're not serious here. If you routinely call T2 from the SB preflop, this is a leak. I mean I dunno how many reasons I need to give to show why calling here is terrible (pre):

We've got a trash hand with such limited potential - we have no straight draw, no flush draw, we have a hand that couldn't be any more UNconnected.
We're gonna be playing out of positon
Did I mention T2o is a trash hand? I mean if we're calling preflop, we're gonna have to pretty much stack off when we catch a piece right? You going broke on JT3r? 432r? What boards are we playing for here? Even in the given hand we only really get a ton of action from better Tx hands (however this villain went nuts). Realistically the only flop we love here is flopping trips or 2pair, which happens, if my memory serves me right, 1 in 30times. So lets see, we are calling 60chips to stay in, thus must win a total of 1800, there or thereabouts. We only have ~800-900 in the stack to start! Basically we need to get two guys all in, AND we need to have the best hand which ALWAYS holds up. That is to BREAKEVEN! EVERYTIME we hit we MUST get 2+people allin, and we MUST win that allin everytime! I can't emphasise this enough! Theres the chance that someone has a better hand (set/FH), I say we need like 50to1 implied here to make this even remotely profitable, and we clearly don't here.

[iceveins0901]

lol I previously thought your hand was suited when you said double suited pre, but reading it sounds like it was not well played. just another case of a donkey getting lucky, except the donkey in this hand was you.

you should always fold that crappy of a hand preflop with that hand in that crappy position.

[iceveins0901]

Originally Posted by MikeyInc even with a preflop flush draw ?

this is the post i was refering to, you dont have a preflop flush draw... even if you did... no.

[liladypokerpro]

LOL flush draw preflop....how can there be such a thing as a flush draw without a flop??? heheehhehe

[MikeyInc]

I think Its Ice's Job to Bully everyone on the forums. how about this. if your style is so ELITE. 100 dollar heads up anytime any place. Yes I'm calling you Out. Haha

[TomodachiSamurai]

T2 offsuit is not justified to call in the SB. Whether you're shortstack or not, you could wait at least 2 more laps before having to push all in on even a marginal hand rather than "gamble" on a T2 offsuit. Too many players feel that they can get "lucky" simply by playing junk hands in the SB feeling as though they feel it's to owed them to play since they paid half the forced full blind amount. If you're going to play the SB, at least play hands that have some sort of logic to why you're playing it...being a shortstack doesn't justify playing risky nor doesn't mean you should feel compelled or pressured to play junk. What if you lost? You'd a been in worse shape, your chipstack crippled...and who knows had you have had patience the next hand could've brought Aces. Remember the FIVE "P's" of poker
1. Patience...Don't get married to your hand, and don't fall in love with the evaluation of your hand or make up new evaluations to continue playing a hand you might be drawing dead to already. KNOW why you're playing and what you're looking for on the flop or turn.

2. Perseverance...Never give up, even if you are the shortstack. Play consistent..and if you're going to go ALL IN, make sure you understand race odds and ALL IN HANDS.

3. Position...Know your position when the flop comes.

4. Practice... always practice your strategies and different hands to see how well they work. Warm up your SitNGos on playchips before entering a cash SNG. Pro Swimmers don't just dive off the deep end nor do football players rush out to the field ready to win the game but warm up before taking the challenge. Poker should be treated no different.

5. Psychology...Know your opponents. Know who's a tight player and who is loose aggressive. Knowing the your players allows you to know the hand range expected to play against each one. If you know "Tight Teddy" only plays premium hands, you should know that you will need a premium hand to go all in against this type of player but generally you can bluff this player as he is not accustomed to changing it up. However, if you're up against "Rammin Rob" who seems to be involved in every hand, you may open the range of hands to play this player and of course be ready set a trap to take this player out of the game.

[iceveins0901]

Do I really bully everyone? I think it is just your posts that get me... but if you want to send out a challenge, I have enough on Full Tilt to cover, do you want to play .5/1 HU or or .25/.5 HU deepstacked? I dont have money anywhere else, so FT will have to do if its anyplace. We can decide on a time once your initial decision to play on FT is made.

[MikeyInc]

ill buy a table early next week bro.

ill Pm ya the info

[MikeyInc]

actually it doesn't bother me that you target my post.. that's what this section is for "Hand Discussion" not all of us have 5 bracelets and 2million in the bank. but with the rude post you make.. maybe ill get there one day!!! THANKS ICE VEINS!!!! XOXOXO hahaha



Thanks To all For The reply's.

You all have helped me!!!!

[Wyte22]

Considering your M was 4.9 ( 4.8888889 rounded), The only mistake I see, was calling pre-flop. Once you hit red zone, it is all in or fold everyhand, because you don't have the chips to splash around to see flops like someone with an M of 20 has. Post flop, the play was alright, but more time than not, you will be walking into trouble because of your kicker. But any hand were you come out ahead, is well played, even if you did donkey on your opp

[Brooklynbum]

Calling is always the worse option when you're short stacked. I'd much rather push than just flat call. Otherwise it's fold city.

If you pushed while on the SB with a limper and the BB, then i can see what you're trying to do.

But calling pre-flop with 10/2 is just plain strange.

In any event, you got lucky and hopefully you used that luck to win some money...