Scotty's Blowups ...

[liladypokerpro]

Well, a lot of people have talked about it, but I missed the event and didn't get to see the blow up(s). It is rumored that he was drunk as a skunk, and dropped F bombs left and right.

Did anyone see this? Does anyone know where a video link of it is? I just can't see Scotty doing something like this...it really shocks me...

I did find the interview afterward, and WOW WAS HE DRUNK.... I just can't believe it, but it seems like after watching this, the rumors are quite possibly true.

YouTube - Scotty Nguyen Takes Down The $50k HORSE...

[liladypokerpro]

OMG I found it....... I just can't believe it........man.......

YouTube - Scotty Nguyen Belligerent Drunk Montage

[phosphorescence]

drunk poker players are the worst!

pretty disappointing, especially as he'd told the kid off for some of his antics, then does much worse himself.

[BrewCrewFan59]

Wow I missed this and a buddy of mine told me I had to try and find it online and watch, thanks for makin' it easy but after watching that one of my poker icons that I used to cheer for, has become possibly one of the most unclassy people at the table I've seen. Say all you want about Hellmuth's blowups, or Matthias Anderson screaming, or Hevad Khan going nuts, this takes them all... There's no room for an act like that at the final table on ESPN

[frob23]

That's pretty ugly. But, you know... I am sure we've all done something we're ashamed of at the table. I'm not sure what Scotty was thinking... he was obviously hammered but he should have acted more professionally than that.

[gamer4life27]

Even though poker is a game of diversity, many people think there should be guidlines on how people should act, when in fact, there really isn't any.

Yeah, people may complain to the floor manager about someone's antics, and they may get something told to them about it, but other than that, people have a right to act how they want. I'm not saying Scotty should have acted the way he did, but what I am saying, is that he had every right to. Doesn't make it right, but he does have that on his side.

Scotty Nguyen is one of my Idols, along with Daniel Negreanu. Daniel is more laid back, but has fun at the same time, while Scotty (as you can see here) is more open about his emotions, and will do what he pleases. Scotty (like Men 'The Master' Nguyen) plays only with a beer in his hand. Thats there trademark. If you think of them, you think poker, and beer/drunk. Once emotions get envolved with drunk people (espically Scotty, who wears his emotions on his sleve), things start to get a little out of hand.

Some people may think that his antics were out of line at this final table, but thats Scotty. Thats how he plays. Think of it as a Phil Hellmuth blow up. He shouldn't do it, but thats him. He banters, cusses, swears, throws chips around, etc. when he is having one of his blow ups. No body makes a big deal out of it because one, everyone is used to it, and two, if they do, he will banter on more, and it would throw people off there game. Much like Scotty did to Michael DeMichelle.

Now I'm not saying he is in the right, or in the wrong with his antics here. I am simply stating what he is allowed and not allowed to do. I personally think that he didn't get any penality's for saying the F-bomb, or any other curse words was because he was on T.V., and he is known to do that kind of stuff. Just look at the Main Event of last year with Scotty's meltdown.

[HeyKidMove]

Yeah, I watched the final table and I lost quite a bit of respect for Scotty. I have always loved watching him play, but after the final table I have to say that I'm not a fan anymore.

[tstrachan22]

I watched the replay last night and the follow up interveiws and that was outrageous IMO. It took ALOT to even watch it and in my mind I was thinking WTF is the matter with him?. So im pretty bummed about the whole episode and conduct for a so-called "poker ambassador" but I have to say Scotty definately had the best line i've heard in awhile, "How much does 4th pay again?", lol.

P.S. With all those F bombs how come he didnt get pentalized? Just wondering because I thought they deducted chips or something in the past. Maybe Scotty is above the law so to speak............

[liladypokerpro]

That is a huge debate that is going around right now...some people are saying that they had "mercy" on him since he is Scotty Nguyen...others say they were afraid it would enrage him and cause an unnecessary outbreak of the physical kind, so they just let him talk. I don't know why he didn't get a penalty but whatever the case it was just about the worst thing I've ever seen from a player, especially Scotty.

[iceveins0901]

The penalty system is the WORST idea in poker history. How can they penalize people for profanity in a poker tournament when the players are the ones posting the buy ins for the events? Poker is not a sport in the same way Hockey and Basketball are, it is more of a group of people posting out of their own pocket in order to have a shot to beat everyone else for a much larger portion of money. You cant give me a penalty in a game where every hand matters and literally time is money. Oh and I dont think they have it anymore, they went back to editing and bleeping the curse words out.

On the topic of Scotty, I just watched it Wednesday, and wow, I understand he was drunk, but he still showed absolutely no class, the first time ripping on DeMichele was fine, I laughed, then the constant barrage of insults at everyone was too much. It was terrible, I was rooting for Lindgren and DeMichele at the end of the tourney.

[gorden71]

I was told by a friend that they loosened up the rules a little this year. A player can use the F word as long as it is not directed towards any particular player. For example: you can say "WTF" but you cannot say "F you". Either way I think Scotty was way out of line. Im sure weve all played against drunk people before, but we arent on national television.

[LyndaNova]

Thank You, Lady, for posting both videos from youtube!!

I read about Scotty's antics, but it certainly wasn't as much FUN as seeing the actual videos!!
Talk about psyching out your opponents!!

Scotty's wife was quiet during his episodes both at the table and the interview.
I assume she was at least somewhat embarassed...

Oh well. Play on, Baby!

[gamer4life27]

This just in, read this:

Poker News - ESPN to Premiere 2008 WSOP $50,000 H.O.R.S.E. Event Tonight

[gamer4life27]

Also:

POSTED BY: ScottyNguyen
POSTED ON: Aug 20, 2008
I would like to apologize to all my fans for the disappointment I have caused in the H.O.R.S.E. Event. For that I would like to express my sincerest apology. I would like to ask for understanding of what really took place. Keep in mind this was a five day event, with an almost fourteen hour final table that was reduced to two hours of air time including all the commercial breaks. With that being said, as you can imagine, more took place than what made the final cut for t.v. Last year's Main Event I made the mistake of letting someone get under my skin, of which overtook my mental focus of the game, and cost me my tournament along with a lot of disappointment amongst my fans and peers. Since that time, it has haunted me and even now with the mistake that I made. As a professional, you always critique yourself to make yourself better, and in doing so you have to focus on the mistakes you make, in order to improve. This year, I needed redemption of my own 2007 Main Event demons to prove to myself that no one would get to me again. This tournament was too important for me, the trophy, the fifth bracelet, and history, my head was zoned in for this event, and for that time, I forgot the fans were watching me. I said things I shouldn't have said that have disappointed you, and I apologize for my actions. All my life, there have been many many tournaments, I put all the fans first, tried to play bad hands and win to give more excitement, and I would blow my tournament, however I have never regretted it, because without all you fans there would never be a Scotty Nguyen, and I appreciate all of you every which way. This tournament I played the players game. They wanted to play a drinking game, and they couldn't win, they say they can't even beat a drunk, how can you beat a drunk if I'm not drunk. They can't beat me in a drinking game, now they play the talking game to try to get under my skin like in 2007, and I gave it right back to them and got underneath their skin, and they couldn't win. When it came down to playing a poker game, the best will win. Because they can't beat me in a drinking game, a talking game and then we played poker, of which they can't beat me, and I am the one who brought the trophy home. This event I had my mind set, I wouldn't let anything interfere between me and the bracelet and the Chip Reese trophy, and I proved that to the whole world. I can beat them at any game they want to play. And all I have to say, I hope all you fans understand what I'm trying to say. And watch the tape again. I was not the one to start anything, not even drinking or talking, they wanted to start it with me, and they got beat by me fair and square on all levels they wanted to play. All I would ever be sorry, is how the fans feel about me, I would never be sorry to beat those players. If they can't accept defeat, then stay home, crawl under their loved ones arms, don't bad mouth because you got beat by the best poker player. Another thing, I always bring joy and excitement to the poker game every time I'm on tv, and all of you know, when Scotty Nguyen is on tv, your eyes are glued on the screen. Why? Because I make it fun so you guys don't switch the channel. All these years that is all you've seen of me, and that is the real me. That proves to you, how great and nice I am, I am the real deal. One cannot be on tv all these years with the same persona if it wasn't the real deal. Even during this final table, I still took time for all the fans with a smile on my face. You have not even heard of one fan who was there that came up to me and could say that I was rude to them or out of line with them in any way. This was an issue at the table, and one I didn't take out on the fans even during that time. This was business. How many players do you know that would do that to the fans except one, the Prince of Poker, Scotty Nguyen and once again I apologize to all of you. No excuses for my behavior in that $50,000 H.O.R.S.E. final table. And I have explained to you why and how that happened. Bottom line, I only ask for you to please understand and remember that I, Scotty Nguyen, the Prince of Poker is still a human being, just like all of you. I too have good times, bad times, sad times and angry times, just like everyone else in this world, and I hope you can understand that. I do promise to all the fans that no matter what, from now, I would never disappoint you again any which way. I forgot about the fans, and only focused on me. I am sorry. Thank you, Scotty Nguyen

[phosphorescence]

boy, how i hate people who refer to themselves in the third person. lol

[gamer4life27]

Gamer feels your pain phosphorescence... Gamer needs to get gamer some more money so gamer can enter the HORSE Main Event and play with Scotty, gamer's idol. Gamer doesn't know why, but gamer needs to start playing satalites to get into that tournament. Gamer will do whatever it takes to meet Scotty, even after all of this. Scotty is one of gamer's idols, and nothing with make gamer not think that of Scotty.

[powrdragn]

Well, no matter how you see it, there ARE rules in place and Scotty DIDN'T have the right to act the way he did.

First of all, he was waaaay out of line. And this is coming from a Scotty Nguyen fan. This was completely uncalled for.

He risked potential sponsorships and stuff with that scene. He also risks the rest of us losing potential poker players and poker fans. That's what really sucks.

The bottom line though, is that there are rules against berating other players and staff and he did so multiple times during the broadcast. And that's only what they showed. There's no tellin' what else happened live.

[frob23]

Originally Posted by iceveins0901 The penalty system is the WORST idea in poker history. How can they penalize people for profanity in a poker tournament when the players are the ones posting the buy ins for the events? Poker is not a sport in the same way Hockey and Basketball are, it is more of a group of people posting out of their own pocket in order to have a shot to beat everyone else for a much larger portion of money. You cant give me a penalty in a game where every hand matters and literally time is money. Oh and I dont think they have it anymore, they went back to editing and bleeping the curse words out. On the topic of Scotty, I just watched it Wednesday, and wow, I understand he was drunk, but he still showed absolutely no class, the first time ripping on DeMichele was fine, I laughed, then the constant barrage of insults at everyone was too much. It was terrible, I was rooting for Lindgren and DeMichele at the end of the tourney.

Poker, like any game, has rules and standards of conduct. If a player posts a buy-in, they are agreeing to abide by those standards. I can't sit down and play Monopoly and decide that I can roll twice and use the best roll if I want. Although I admit that example is a little different. But most organized games and sports have rules regarding misconduct (swearing or abusing officials for example) that are in place and are enforced.

Poker has, in my experience, always had rules regarding how one may and may not speak while at the table. For example, discussing a hand with another player is usually disallowed. To extend that rule to include verbal abuse is not hard as well as profanity. I was always raised with the understanding that abusive language at a poker table was always "fighting words" and you had every expectation that speaking in such a manner could and would get physical. We were expected to conduct ourselves like gentlemen and ladies at the table or be treated as we otherwise decided. I do know of home games, growing up, where angry and drunk relatives were thrown out of games because they decided to berate other players. There's always a level of needling that is part of the game but when it goes beyond good taste, it shouldn't be allowed.

As for the penalty, what would you suggest to replace time outs? You're right that every hand matters and every blind matters. It's supposed to punish you... that's why they do it. In practice, you should get a warning before actually losing time at the table. If you choose to ignore that warning, you accept the consequences. In cash games, the profanity rule can often lead to extended suspensions (I've known the local card room to give a two hour suspension to a player in a cash game for repeatedly saying the F-word even though it wasn't directed at anyone). And repeated offenses can lead to banning. In a tournament, the times are usually much shorter (mostly because you're still paying blinds unlike the cash game) and I've never heard of them removing your stack from play... so you could -- in theory -- still be making money while out, if other people go broke.

Tournament poker has its rules... some of them are imperfect (the show one show all interpretation for example) but they aren't intolerable. The biggest issue is that the rules aren't enforced equally... and it seems that a lot of big name players get away with offenses that no-names would be penalized for.

[rakmupagain]

I literally wanted to throw up when i was watching the evnt and didnt know what to think, really I felt sorry for scotty, as he seems to be having issues with drinking.
For some reason, alli could think about is what if that was me, sitting at the final 3 of biggest poker moment of my life, and I wouldnt want my own daughter to ever see it because of the actions of one man. How disapointing would that be, to have ur acheivmants overshadowed by a drunk. Shame on you scotty.

I always keep in mind of the very little they actually show of the events, like he states, 14 hours into 2 hour time slot, including commercials, player profiles, and Norman Chad telling us what the players should do. I'm sure ESPN coulda made scotty llook like a prince if they wanted to but instead they chose to focus on the negative. TV>....

On a sidenote, if anyone actually was paying attention to how the hands were played, Scotty played horrificly and luckboxed his way to the win, he made terrible calls and raises quite often. I dont think he got that far playing like that, and was clearly off his game and was luckier than jerry yang to be able and close it out.

[Fictive]

I didn't bother to read that thing Nguyen posted at another forum, I read a little thing about it from somewhere else. What I read about it was that he actually apologized to his fans, and fans only. Not a word of apologies to the other players, which is pretty f**ed up too. I could be wrong, but I'm just too lazy to read through that thing.