Fulltilt constant BadBeats

[liladypokerpro]

Originally Posted by -Syre- PLUS... This online poker is NOTHING like real poker. No one hits a miracle flush on the river EVERY SINGLE TIME!... You hit a set and 9 out of 10 times you'll lose to a flush... that 1 extra time you'll lose to someone else hitting a higher set or boat... its absurd....

While I agree, many times it can be attributed to the ultra-loose play of the opponents, many times it can also be attributed to the size of your bet, your position, your stack, and even your table image. If you don't bet enough, expect a call every time...likewise, if you instantly go all in, many people see that as a sign of weakness...they actually call it a "please don't call me" bet.

So, the only thing that can be said is pick your moments and your bets more carefully, most especially when you're position is not one which would warrant certain play. Also, the image you portray at the table can play a huge factor in whether or not other players will respect your moves. Be sure to sell an image and don't let the opponents think otherwise. Although it may not totally do away with the donkey's lucking out, it should by all means increase your winning average.

Best wishes, and good luck!

[IFixlexus]

The short stack Super Turbo 300 chip sngs are the absolute worst example somebody making your claim could use. Anybody that plays those is just looking for action. There is very little of what people consider "real poker" going on in those.

[BlackOfSpades]

"I don't like playing the lottery, I wanna play poker...."


Yet you play a sng that you start with 300 chips (blinds 15-30) and turbo blinds that increase every 2 minutes? Sounds like the lotto to me.

[vwpunk]

Originally Posted by BlackOfSpades "I don't like playing the lottery, I wanna play poker...." Yet you play a sng that you start with 300 chips (blinds 15-30) and turbo blinds that increase every 2 minutes? Sounds like the lotto to me.

So you agree it is a lotto? and by being a lotto then my reasoning stands to be...
As I have stated previously I give up on any turbo SnGs. I only started playing them because i can't log enough time to play bigger games, and i don't really play cash games.

[hooksvsbird]

i dont know but i was keeping track for a few mis the other day i saw 6 pre flop all ins in a row on 4 differant tables where the best hand lost all 6 times in a period of a few mins. i might start taking note of it more.

[Vito_Nuccio]

I am reading words like 'every' and 'never' in this post. This is simply not true in any aspect of the universe, including online poker. There are no such declarations in poker as 'every' and 'never' when it comes to odds, unless we are at 100% to 0%. Odds are math based, it takes millions and millions of hands to properly distinguish the current status, more hands than we can play in a lifetime even if playing 10 tables 24 hours a day for life. The next 10 million will give a sllightly different result, but in the long run (infinity), the odds will be close to the calculated amounts. Nothing is eternal (even the universe or time itself)

These words always come out when someone is mired in a bad streak. No one ever complains about an extended winning streak, it is attributed to their superior play. But along comes a bad string of luck and then all of a sudden thoughts of cheating, cardroom fixes and the like start to appear. If you are indeed in a losing streak you need to further look into your own game as a part of the possibility for the losing. Radical changes are not always necessary, most streaks can be ended by grinding out your style, playing your game. Not all decisions in poker can be correct or incorrect, but limiting the mistakes and taking advantage of the opportunities will pay off in the long run.

Winning consistantly requires the player to tweak their game to the given situation, all games are different. Bring the proper game to the table and be prepared to change gears when needed. And be prepared to lose when you have the best hand. If you lose with the best hand that is good, you are making the proper decisions, the math will even out. If you find yourself in a race most of the time for your entire stack, you need to find better situations to which put your self at risk.

If you do not trust a poker room, go else where, you will find bad beats happen everywhere. It would not be poker if we just turned up the dealt cards and gave the pot to the highest starters. Even AA to dominated AK with K being the suit of one of the other aces still has a 6% chance to lose. 6% means the suckout can happen and it will, it may happen a few times in a row, it may not happen for 500 hands in a row, but the possibility is there, that is the way no limit holdem works.

If swings of bankroll and or mood is too great, then a switch to limit poker may be in order. No limit poker is a brutal game with no remorse for the beaten and the spoils to the victor regardless of path taken.

Thanks,

[Brooklynbum]

Exactly.

I was in a 50NL cash game yesterday and I got caught with A/K suited vs. AA.

I was lucky enough to hit a runner runner for a Ace high flush.

Funny how those things happen. Suckouts happen both ways.

This time I was the beneficiary, next time who knows.

Learn to deal with the bad beats and you'll become a better player, it's that simple.

[tstrachan22]

I have to give it up to this post but not for the original crying ,rather for the sweet responses it brang out-Everyone EXCEPT Barry of course for the bashing what a mouth breather

[vwpunk]

Originally Posted by tstrachan22 I have to give it up to this post but not for the original crying ,rather for the sweet responses it brang out-Everyone EXCEPT Barry of course for the bashing what a mouth breather

Yeah, it's just a discussion forum, I definately Appreciate the Responses whether or not It's agreed upon. No Reason to Bash anyone or berate them. It's Real easy to be tough on Teh interwebz. I don't know what I mispelled that pissed that guy off, must be a grammar teacher...
If you can't post on a discussion forum without being ricockulous about it. Might as well not even be here. It's the internet. I'm sure If I pull Barry's OPR I will see how he is gods gift to poker and everyone else is a degenerate of the poker world to him...

Lock this thread down so people will quit their whining over the post...

/THREAD

[liladypokerpro]

Yes, he's made multiple bashing remarks in multiple threads, so he's been happily reported.

[electric_ladyland]

I have to disagree with pretty much everyone in this topic, and hey, I used to think the same way. IMO, you just remember the bad beats and forget the other times your cards held up as being "What is supposed to happen". First, full ring games are mind blowing, and your nerves will go insane by the ups and downs of NL hold em, not tilting your bankroll is what's the difference. My friend kept notes on his all in hands when he had AK vs AQ, AA vs QQ, AJ vs KQ and the like and they pretty much added up, helped his game a lot, by being able to shrug it off(a lot of the time).

[XDRAGON]

Full Tilt, Pokerstars and Littlewoods poker are the worse for this i have found. Im not an idiot, i know with all the skill in the world poker is still about 70% luck on any given day but when the bad beats (and i mean real bad beats like 1 and 2 outers, and runner runners) are the rule and not the exception you know there's something else going on. Im no longer willing to stake large amounts of money on sites where i have no faith in the software.

[RiverstarsVictim]

I have some sympathy for those who complain about being beaten time and again by the flush.

Apparently the odds of getting a flush are 509-1 yet when I look at my PT stats for FullTilt, I've recorded 218 flushes in less than 16K hands, far too many. Sadly for me most of them were made with monsters like 8-2 and I folded pre-flop but it's hardly any wonder why so many people call with any 2 suited cards

I certainly don't believe the cards are random but I also don't believe any poker site is out to bust anyone, in fact I believe the opposite. The RNG's are designed to keep as many people winning as possible. The players making all the correct decisions will always end up winning longterm whilst the donks who play any 2 suited cards will get their share short term. Of course the latter should eventually go bust but he would've had so much fun he'll be sure to deposit again

Just my 2 cents worth. Please feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong

[lumberjack]

It has happend everywere, every site. But only on Full Tilt my top set was crashed by lower ste after all in on flop !!! One thing it happend 2 times at the same table in one hour !!!
But I truly believe that everything is fine

p.s few days later i crashed top set in the same way so is is 1:2 lol

[jackpothh]

that's fu**** poker guys !!

f.e. villain 3xraises pre with 77, i push with jj on button, flop: j8t....of course V rivers his 9
or another one: villain 3xraises pre with JsJd, i call with AcAd, flop: tc5c2c, i check, he puts me allin, i call, turn - no clubs, river - Jh <---his only fu***in out, ridiculous
that guy killed my aces with 1 out. i could go on like this for ages, i'm just hoping my downswing will end soon

SUCKOUT KINGZ lol

PS talking about Ap there, ive been playing lo- microlevel sitngos -
anyone ever made any profit there ???? mail me, i feel like the whole page is a f****n joke,
cause i'd have to be friggin tony g to make any profit there

[liladypokerpro]

Isn't it true that the main percentages and odds of getting particular hands revolves around and is based on LIVE poker play, in which you see far less hands than you do in online poker? So, with that said, wouldn't you have to take into consideration the extremely increased number of hands dealt in online poker, and take the typical odds and percentages for Live play, and adjust them accordingly?

Just curious...it seems like the based odds and percentages were figured out long before online poker ever became a phenomenon, so I would think that if there are increased hands dealt, that would affect the outcome of the odds and percentages.

[frob23]

Originally Posted by liladypokerpro Isn't it true that the main percentages and odds of getting particular hands revolves around and is based on LIVE poker play, in which you see far less hands than you do in online poker? So, with that said, wouldn't you have to take into consideration the extremely increased number of hands dealt in online poker, and take the typical odds and percentages for Live play, and adjust them accordingly? Just curious...it seems like the based odds and percentages were figured out long before online poker ever became a phenomenon, so I would think that if there are increased hands dealt, that would affect the outcome of the odds and percentages.

No, the odds are based on probability mathematics. The more hands you see in a period of time, the more combinations you will see in that period of time, but the probability of each outcome doesn't change because you're seeing more hands.

In a sense, the probabilities could be worked out without anyone ever sitting down and playing the game. They could have been worked out before the first deck of cards was created (so long as everything was defined). The medium in which the game is played won't affect the odds.

[liladypokerpro]

Okay thanks Frob...I wasn't sure where the odds and percentages originated, or if they had some special tie to Live versus Online. I mean I know calculating them is mathematics, but just wasn't sure if there was some underlying information needed besides that, or if it is just strictly all math. So, I appreciate you clearing that up for me

[PapaGary48]

I play and like to play at FT, and by no means consider myself a "pro" or probably not even a "good' player, by the stardards I have seen here, on sites for poker, and on TV and live. But i do play enough to see that there are times (on FT) when a certain player can and does bet some or all his chips at any given time (with any kind of cards) and can not lose to any other hand.... now I do understand about bad beats, and suck outs, but next time you play on FT, just sit back awhile to watch the "flow" of cards and how often the same person or chair is winning by "bad beats" and suck outs. Ok, maybe bad beats happen, but just watch the number of times it happens and with who it is happening for, and yes, I have been the guy in the "right" chair at the right time and "not" been able to lose... I'm not here trying to tell you that this is the way it is, just this is what I have noticed when I play.... Thank you for reading this and taking your time to look at my view point on this.

[barry235]

You simple idiot. Are you really that stupid?