Suckoutsite?

[niemalsnicht]

Hey folks

I played a bit on Nordica and aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh

Sorry, but i dont think i will stay there, this is a great site, but only for fishes. Cannt win there with AA, KK...get cracked any time and not by slowplay...............

Iam on a downdraw or is this a suckoutside, what you think?

[liladypokerpro]

Nope you're probably just playing at the wrong limits, hun. I only see stuff like that in cheap buy in tourneys and low limit cash games...but that is on any site pretty much.

Just hang in there we all go thru downswings...I'm on one right now myself, but it passes...just gotta stay patient and don't screw yourself out by getting frustrated.

[Krahsami]

Id say it has more to do with the stars karma ect than any site. the last thing a respectable site is going to do is produce any form of suck out crap. theyd just lose $ not what a bussiness liketo do.
Your going to find ppl that chase and gamble more on the lower limits. Its just the way it is. to ppl a $ just isnt what it used be anymore and they have no respect for it sometimes when it isnt a big limit. Also depending on how you actually play your AA KK is also very important obviously. If you limp in per say and a guy in the blind crushes you with two pair well you shoulda bet them out some where along the line. It's going to happen either way we all get AA cracked, best you can do is not tilt. Very hard thing to do at the moment. Ive had times where some 1 raises I got KK I flat call to make sure an A doesnt POP on the flop and an A and K flops and he HAS AA its going to happen eventually. Even in real casinos this stuff happens =[. Fate is a fical mistress.
When it does happen just remember also you have sucked out on other ppl that had AA and they were feeling exactly what you were when you lost.
Poker and life are alot alike your dealt a hand and you gotta play it the best that you can.

[liladypokerpro]

Good points, Krahsami, and also it must be noted that people do not respect the $ as much when they physically do not have to see or touch it. You'll never see the kind of ridiculous play live as you see online, and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that when someone has to physically see and touch their chips to make a bet, and see and touch their stack, it's a different feeling than simply having to click a button.

[Jonathank]

yeah me too. i hate playing against weak opponents. i only like to play with people better than me who i can't beat.

[Vito_Nuccio]

Suckouts happen at all sites and all levels. You will see more at the lower levels as there is not much at risk and the fish and donks are everywhere. If you primarily lose on suckouts that means you get your money in with the best of it, that pays in the long run.

I have played at Nordica for a couple of months now (Thanks rakeback, PTOTW got my account going) and have not seen an extra amount of suckouts. I like the site and they have great freerolls for members giving away 100 grand a month.

I would be more concerned if you were getting busted with the lessor hand when the cash went in. Play the advantages win or lose. Poker is one very long game with ebb and flow.

Later,

[niemalsnicht]

Yep, its all right, i started to play 2+20 Bounty Tournaments, that was not so funny for me..:-) All-in nearly every Round.......In the 5+50 it was a little better, but finally i found the fishes at the cashgame Omaha H/L tables...up to breakeven in 1 hour....

No Matter, i know how to play AA or KK, but they call u with any trashhand, the best was 10 3off against AA....hit his 3 on the river for 2 Pair...after Preflop all-in from him!!! A other AA cracked by 99, he wents all-in, i called, on the turn 9...ok, badluck....

Sorry, i was angry a bit yesterday........

gl 2 @ll

[liladypokerpro]

Yep I had a feeling that was the case. Anytime I refer a friend to Nordica, I always tell them to avoid the Bounty tournaments (unless they are Uber donks). I left Full Tilt for the same reason...too much constant ultra loose play for my skills to pay off the way they should. Try freezeouts on Nordica, they are way better.

Best wishes!

PS > Also, if you are fortunate enough to find a 6 handed cash table that is $1/$2 Limit, you can rape them blind if you can play limit.

[niemalsnicht]

I`m on a downdraw.......XXXX is me

PokerStars Game : Tournament Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/07/22 - 23:58:58 (ET) 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jacksdad2 (790 in chips)
Seat 2: #1FIREWALKER (8470 in chips)
Seat 3: hellkitty75 (1245 in chips)
Seat 4: hasan-poker (6075 in chips)
Seat 5: XXXX (6300 in chips)
Seat 6: eviaris (2370 in chips)
Seat 8: dmoney1002 (790 in chips)
Seat 9: muri56 (2525 in chips)
eviaris: posts small blind
25dmoney1002: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to XXXX [9d 5d]
muri56: raises 200 to 250
jacksdad2: calls 250
#1FIREWALKER: folds
hellkitty75: folds
XXXX said, "nc"
hasan-poker: calls 250
XXXX: calls 250
eviaris: calls 225
dmoney1002: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [5c 5s Jh]
eviaris: bets 400
dmoney1002: folds
muri56: calls 400
jacksdad2: folds
hasan-poker: calls 400
XXXX: raises 400 to 800
sdcopper is connected
eviaris: raises 1320 to 2120 and is all-in
muri56: raises 155 to 2275 and is all-in
hasan-poker: calls 1875
XXXX: raises 3775 to 6050 and is all-in
hasan-poker: calls 3550 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (225) returned to JB241
*** TURN *** [5c 5s Jh] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [5c 5s Jh Jd] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hasan-poker: shows [Ks Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
XXXX: shows [9d 5d] (a full house, Fives full of Jacks)
hasan-poker collected 7100 from side pot-2
muri56: shows [Qc Qh] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
hasan-poker collected 465 from side pot-1
eviaris: shows [Kh Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
XXXX said, "haha"
eviaris collected 4990 from main pot
hasan-poker collected 4990 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 17545 Main pot 9980. Side pot-1 465. Side pot-2 7100. | Rake 0
Board [5c 5s Jh Jd Kd]
Seat 1: jacksdad2 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: #1FIREWALKER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: hellkitty75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hasan-poker showed [Ks Jc] and won (12555) with a full house, Jacks full of Kings
Seat 5: XXXX (button) showed [9d 5d] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Jacks
Seat 6: eviaris (small blind) showed [Kh Js] and won (4990) with a full house, Jacks full of Kings
Seat 8: dmoney1002 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: muri56 showed [Qc Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks

Lost against a 1 outer,....nice

[liladypokerpro]

Ick well, considering the starting hand you chose to play against a preflop raise, and the outcome of the flop, it was quite a dangerous situation from then on...it sucks that you lost that one, but I can't say I'm really surprised...Once the 95 suited was re-raised all in, I'd have had to let it go.

Perhaps a bit nitty, but in the case of a double paired board, you've got to figure that someone's going to have something like JJ AJ KJ QJ or J10 in that spot, primarily because of the preflop action, and then the all ins following.

I'm not sure you would have kept anyone from calling if you'd have raised more than 800 after the flop, considering I see a comment from you saying "NC" which tells me that you likely got caught in a bluff the hand previous to this one (correct me if I misinterpreted this). But anytime I flop a set, I'm raising close to 3/4 if not full pot, depending on stacks and opponents...gotta make the decision tough on them, and protect what you can of your hand and your stack.

[niemalsnicht]

Hi lady

I lost the hand before with AA, so comes the "nc".......

2 of the 3 guys in the hand, play always very loose, i have notes from them.....the worst wasnt to lose this hand, but how i lost....

Sure i dont played this hand best, but i want some action, got a bit more:-) s..t happens

gl to you

[liladypokerpro]

Ahhh okay so then the "NC" meant probably "Nice Catch" rather than "Nice Call" I assume? Sorry you lost with AA, that hurts every time.

As for the loose players at the table, they are the ones to always worry about...People always say it's the tight players to watch out for, but in my experience I just can't help but disagree with that. I can push a tight player around much easier than a loose one, and make more leeway. But, to each his own, I guess.

Glad to see you've got a good attitude toward the hand in question. You got in with the best on the flop, but the turn was unlucky. As you put it so well, $h!t happens

Best wishes in future games

[powrdragn]

I also want to toss a bit of information out here.

There may be times when it feels like the poker sites are rigged, but anyone that has played live games for hours can tell you that the beats are just as bad in real life games.

I know that I've suffered worse beats in real life than anything that's EVER happened online. I've also seen some crazy things in real life that feel like they were rigged. A lot of what you're seeing is just the nature of the game.

Sometimes people can get wrapped up in thinking their play style is good because they have won money and/or are running well. Then when the swing starts coming back the other way, they are unable to make adjustments to compensate for it.

The game is a harsh one. There are ups and downs, you just have to ride them. The games online aren't any different than real life. I see people raise, fold, and shove with all kinds of hands (and logic) that doesn't make sense. These things happen.

As a word of advice, don't start out by blaming the sites. Be honest in reviewing your play. Get someone else to look over your hand histories. See if there were ways you could have played some hands differently. Maybe even put the ego aside and drop down limits to try a different play style.

It makes no sense for sites to try to force suckouts. It would cost them way more money than it would create. And it also wouldn't make sense that there are so many people can play well consistently online and make a living doing it.

[Jonathank]

luck is the most important element of poker.
yes, anyone can win.
your opponents are rarely drawing dead with additional streets to come.
that's what makes poker a great game but also the most frustrating.

you are surrounded by weak players, and practiclly dead money.
sorry, i just don't understand the complaints.

[Vito_Nuccio]

Originally Posted by niemalsnicht Yep, its all right, i started to play 2+20 Bounty Tournaments, that was not so funny for me..:-) All-in nearly every Round.......In the 5+50 it was a little better, but finally i found the fishes at the cashgame Omaha H/L tables...up to breakeven in 1 hour.... No Matter, i know how to play AA or KK, but they call u with any trashhand, the best was 10 3off against AA....hit his 3 on the river for 2 Pair...after Preflop all-in from him!!! A other AA cracked by 99, he wents all-in, i called, on the turn 9...ok, badluck.... Sorry, i was angry a bit yesterday........ gl 2 @ll

Bounty tourneys are based on taking players out, with payment possibility while not making the money. At the lower limits the sites may as well just put a fold and all-in button on the page, no need for anything else. I would assume this gets better with higher buy-ins. I have tried a few bounty tourneys at the $10-12 level, but I have found to dislike the deleted prize pool. I will take survival over being forced to over play hands any day. Oh well, to each their own. If you like lots of action, bounty tourneys are available everywhere, but beware of super aggressive play and smaller position payoffs.


Later,