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Old 18th August 2007, 12:24 AM
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Default so whats with the negative rakeback?

I went on vacation, for 2 weeks and came back and had a negative rake, what's the deal? Does full tilt charge negative rake if you don't play everyday or what?
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there is gross rake and then there is net rake.

Deductions Breakdown
These deductions are made by Full Tilt from your Gross Rake to get Net Rake. Your 27% rakeback is calculated from Net Rake.
Bonus: $0.00
Player Added: $0.00
Used Points: $0.00
Player Fees: $0.00
Fraud: $0.00

Gross rake can not be negative. Net rake can be negative.

Negative balances are carried over to the next month.

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I noticed that you said used points apply towards negative rake, so the tournaments that I entered with my FTP points are what gave me the negative rake and not the time that I took off?
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Also Player Added Fees.

Any added money to freerolls or guaranteed prize pools is divided amongst the players.

So if they add $100 and there are 10 players each player is charged -$10 on the gross rake.

Charging people to play in free rolls should be illegal, but some rake back is better than none.

To see charges just click "Rake Tracking". Then click on the "Full Tilt Poker" hyperlink.
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Hi Cobra_Kai,

Your rakeback can be negative because of the deductions made by Full Tilt, mainly deposit fees that they carry over to you. Below you may find the full formula used, you can also view a description and breakdown of all Full Tilt deductions from Full Tilt Rake Tracking page.


Your 27% Full Tilt rakeback is based on Full Tilt Net Rake. Below is the actual formula used by Full Tilt to calculate your net revenue:
Rake + Tournament Fees – Bonus – Player Added – Used Points – Player Fees - Fraud = Net Rake

Your rakeback is 27% of Net Rake

Legend:
Rake - Money earned while playing in ring games
Tournament Fees - Fees a player pays when joining a tournament
Bonus – Bonuses a player earns
Player Added – Money Full Tilt has to add to tournaments. For example, if there is a $10,000 guaranteed tournament and Full Tilt only gets enough buy ins for $9,000, they split the remaining $1,000 by the players in the tournament.
Used Points – Full Tilt Points used on the site or in the store are deducted at a rate of $0.005 per point.
Player Fees – Transaction fees when players deposit money onto the site
Fraud - Bad credit etc.

Please see Full Tilt website FAQ for further information about Full Tilt Points, fees and bonuses:
Online Poker at Full Tilt Poker - Frequently Asked Questions
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