When to shift up?

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  1. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Thanks god, last 40 days, my bankroll began to grow. But its a tiny amount of course. I have decided not to invest more until I make money in this business.

    About 40 days ago, I had 30$ invested into my Cake Poker account.

    İncluding rakeback (dealt %33) and the bonus (%110 first deposit), first my bankroll reached 100$ and I shifted to upper rooms. (Were playing 0.02-0.04... Now 0.05/0.10...) This happened at the 35th day.

    Now its over 147$, continue growing. İf I shift higher tables (0.10-0.20) as I reach 200$, is it ok, or risky? (also planning to shift 0.25/0.50 when I reach 500$...)


    Also consider that, I have rakeback about %10-20 of my bankroll every week.
  2. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    160$ now .
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    grimReaper said:

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    40 buyin rule minimum (I use to play ~80 buyin rule). With $160 play 4NL ($0.02/$0.04).
  4. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Already playing in 0.05/0.10.

    By now, I have 171$ now.

    I think I will wait till the 400$ to shift up...
  5. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Somehow, 0.02/0.04 players were better. Upper level, there are terrible guys.

    One gone all in with a higher pair, while I had a set...

    Another one called me when I have gone all in with AA just preflop. (I have done this 5 times today, 1 time called...)

    One put his half stack on river with K high flush, while I had the A high flush.

    Many guys hitting AK, againest my set, gone all in.

    Another gone all in, just because I had two half pot raises and stopped at river, having a straight...


    These gave me 41$, yesterday morning I had 130$.
  6. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Ok than another question. İmportant one...

    Lets say, you have 10000$ bank roll and with 40 buy in rule you are playing. (250$ per table...) How much of that 10000$, do you hold at the online casino? (İ.E How much do you hold of your bankroll in your pocket...)
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    travz21 said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTTOMAN POKER View Post
    Ok than another question. İmportant one...

    Lets say, you have 10000$ bank roll and with 40 buy in rule you are playing. (250$ per table...) How much of that 10000$, do you hold at the online casino? (İ.E How much do you hold of your bankroll in your pocket...)
    It depends how easy it is to deposit and withdraw. If it's really quick and easy, due to poker problems in the US, I will never feel comfortable having more than the bare minimum I need to play. So if I played 10 tables at a time, I'd keep maybe 13 buyins on there.
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    grimReaper said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTTOMAN POKER View Post
    Somehow, 0.02/0.04 players were better. Upper level, there are terrible guys.
    Believe me, you can't make these conclusions over such a minuscule sample. When you earn a lot of money and/or running good at once in poker, that's what it feels like - everyone sucks. I advise a 40 buyin rule if you're serious, maybe 20 if you're extremely aggressive. But 10 is ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by travz21 View Post
    It depends how easy it is to deposit and withdraw. If it's really quick and easy, due to poker problems in the US, I will never feel comfortable having more than the bare minimum I need to play. So if I played 10 tables at a time, I'd keep maybe 13 buyins on there.
    You know what really makes me puke. I transitioned from Rush to regular tables a month before BF. I went from holding a minimum of 8bi to 20bi (16 tabling) on the site, but ended up leaving FT with 27bi. A couple of bi short of making my next withdrawal
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    travz21 said:

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    Bad move. One more reason Rush was the nuts.
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    grimReaper said:

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    Yeah, but I was able to table select better. Ironically, guess I ended up being the fish haha
  11. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    184 $ .

    I play at most 9 tables. I will wait till I am 400$ and then shift 0.10-0.20.

    Cake Poker loyalty program seems, after reaching level 10, very profitable. (Currently 3)
  12. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    I shifted up to 0.10-0.20 when I reach 193$.

    Now I have 220$. Also expecting to be paid around 20-25$ rakeback on Wednesday.


    The biggest room on Cake is 0.25-0.50 . So, there's no way to shift up. (Also they say, they open pro tables 10/20 2 times a week, but why would I play with Cake pros when I have enought to play at that level?)
  13. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    I really need money these days... I don't know how much this upwards trend will continue going up...
  14. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Ended the night 225$.

    There are more bluffers on this level.
  15. phaul said:

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    In before bust.
  16. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    I don't think so. This time not!
  17. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    260$. I continue with 20 NL.
  18. phaul said:

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    If you drop to $150, will you drop back to $10NL?
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    grimReaper said:

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    But he'll never drop to $150, so it's a moot question.
  20. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    230$.

    No I don't plan to drop any level.
  21. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Two more days like today could easily shift me to 150$. But, days like today on average happens 1 of 10 days.
  22. phaul said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTTOMAN POKER View Post

    No I don't plan to drop any level.
    In before bust.
  23. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    I wont be busted.
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    gamer4life27 said:

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    In befoe rage quit.
    Want a real challenge? PM me about the Chris Ferguson challenge! (which I can now say I have completed myself!)
    "I came into this world against my consent, and I will leave this world against my will." -Phil Laak
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    travz21 said:

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    In before Cake gets the DOJ treatment.
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  26. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Ended up 265$ today. But downswing reached just under 200$ also. Then I have turned it...

    Continue playing 10/20
  27. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    This week I expect 40$ rakeback also.
  28. phaul said:

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    No more updates?
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  30. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    No updates, because up and downs occur. Currently have 211$. About to reach Level 5. 25 Gold chips (40 means 10$). Also some gold cards valued totally about 1$.

    Still playing 10/20. But there are not generally 9 tables, so I also sit at 5/10.
  31. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Also I have seen 290$ max. 170$ min. In these days...
  32. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Love the site you gave. Only problem is, it is not giving the last data, coming 1-2 weeks late?
  33. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Any rakeback.com manager could confirm the data I give you.

    August I opened my Cake account.

    August Rake/Rakeback: 65/21
    September : 227/75
    October : 60/19

    I have only invested 30$.

    I target 1000$, if possible...
  34. phaul said:

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    Lol, click on the "Hands" tab, and look at biggest pots won and lost. They're all recent and some of them are fucking dreadful.
  35. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    What kind of analysing method are you using?

    Sum it up!

    162$ biggest wins.

    102$ biggest losses.

    60$ net profit.
  36. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Look at OPPONENTS tab.

    AcesPocketed 45 $39.49
    mcosmin 112 $27.88
    boydy34 86 $25.39
    Ps. Kukuruza 364 $22.15
    Playin4Broke 33 $21.25
    buzAK 224 $18.44
    BumHumper 68 $17.40
    Roisin_Dubh 91 $13.32
    Lump2 2 $12.86
    rodyama 24 $12.41


    quadzilla1 44 $-12.44
    hutts2 14 $-12.15
    cannabis90 16 $-11.05
    tobememe 3 $-9.39
    STAS285 51 $-9.20
    theotherjoe 67 $-9.20
    youLookWEAK 79 $-7.87
    Rismus 15 $-7.41
    echosmaster 32 $-6.75
    Siegalas1 11 $-6.64

    Best and worst performance above.
  37. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    232$ this night.

    I will not write much, until I pass 300$.

    Also this weeks rakeback would be lower, compared to last week, as I didn't have much time to play...
  38. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    When you look at my hand matrix, the worst hand I played 68s is only about 7$ loss, while I have tons of hands profiting over 10$.

    In stead of 22, all of my pairs are also in profit.

    Interestingly, In stead of A3s, all of AXs and AX hands are also in profit side.


    Also I make profit from 27 .



    I hope, one day I build a real good bankroll and have a good income from this game. I love it...
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    travz21 said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTTOMAN POKER View Post
    I hope, one day I build a real good bankroll and have a good income from this game. I love it...
    You will .
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  40. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    To hear this from you, is very very important for me.
  41. phaul said:

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    A+ thread.
  42. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Also the only active thread, just because nobody talks in this board.

    By the way, thanks to Cake Pokers %50 reload bonus, to many donks attacked the site, 269$ I closed the night. (I don't know why I always miss that bonus... How all the people hear it on time... Cake does not send an email...)


    Everybody called most of my raises and also I hit more than usual. 2/3 of my AA's has been called all in.



    My highest point is 295$. Again I am close to it.
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    travz21 said:

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    Too many donks? Should I sign up so you can play with somebody who wins money instead of gives it away?
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  44. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Biggest table is 25/50. Would that be enough for you?

    Especially situation is this. When Cake makes a reload promotion, donks attack the site. Last weeks were extremely tight, suddenly this week everybody call many raises . (When all the donks slaughtered, it will go tight, than another promotion will come...)

    On very tight weeks, I have updated my strategy and stop loosing even on tight tables. (Very tight...)


    But, I should say that DEALT RAKEBACK is profitable .
  45. Joss Wood said:

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    The advice to have 40BI is good, if you are a recreational player, and you are good at moving down in stakes when you drop to 35BI.

    The first thing to consider in deciding how big your BR should be, is your risk of ruin. If you like maths, you can do your own sums http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_ruin. For NLHE, 40BI is a good proxy which will ensure that you don't go bust as the result of variance.


    If you are happy to reload, and your BR can be supplemented from other income, then the only factor you need to worry about is the psychological factor. Losing 10BI in 500 hands is pretty common; happens to me about 10 times a month. What matters is your reaction to the loss. When you lost 5, did you tilt off the other 5? After losing 10, can you go back to the tables after a short break, and play correctly? For me, it makes a huge difference if 10BI is 30% of my BR, or 10%. I definitely tilt less if my losses are a smaller proportion of my BR.

    Good luck!
  46. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    255$.

    This night is rakeback day...
  47. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    278$ with rakeback.
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    grimReaper said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by travz21 View Post
    Too many donks? Should I sign up so you can play with somebody who wins money instead of gives it away?
    He plays for the competition obv
  49. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    A rakeback.com tournament would be better I think .
  50. OTTOMAN POKER said:

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    Lucky night. 300$ at last! Still playing 10/20.