playing against luck

[robdslob]

How do play against a fish that consistently plays crap cards and hits his hand.You can't bet them out because they call anything.I try to play good starting hands but get nailed by the lucky fish hitting their J-7or Q-3.

[liladypokerpro]

These are the players who will inevitably win it all or lose miserably...more often than not, the latter.

Personally, if I notice a player doing something ridiculous like going all in every hand, etc, and it's early in the tournament, I prefer to make use of my will power...wait him out...let him be someone else's problem, or profit...even if I have AA I will easily and immediately lay it down to someone who is hitting consecutive garbage hands. I have seen AA get busted way too often with this type of scenario.

Once a player has shown himself to go all in or to play every round with any 2 cards, you will notice more and more callers will get into the pot to try to take him out. So, let them. Either someone will inevitably take him out, or you will get moved to another table while you wait.

At any rate, once he's gone, you can resume your normal game and make up for the minimal losses (due to the passing of the blinds) by playing well...because unlike the other fella, YOU are still in...

[iceveins0901]

From a cash game perspective, the key is still patience, you must wait for your high end premium hands like your AA and get as much in against him as soon as you can.

All you can do is get as much as you can in when you know you have the best hand and expect him to not be able to get lucky all the time.

[Mika Ollila]

How do play against a fish that consistently plays crap cards and hits his hand.

Target the loose player with your good hands, and try to get heads up with him/her. If you know that player is playing a wide range of crap cards, you can raise that player with a bit wider range of good cards than against normal tighter opponents.

If you are positioned far away at the table and see a seat open on the left side of the loose player, try switching to that seat to help you on getting heads up play.

Probability should be your friend on the long run against a loose opponent, so just be patient and hope the loose player keeps sitting there.

[bryansacco]

one thing that i always have a problem with if say i get ak or 10s, jj qq kk if i re raise one of these loose players in a cash game they will still call or even re raise me with their crap hands and on the flop they usually hit or try and bluff at it and it gets hard to call sometimes if you have a pair and theirs either a or k on the flop and have to lay it down to a big raise. its hard to avoid them when they go all in because you dont give them credit for a hand then later they due it and they actually got aa or kk

[bryansacco]

you know thier gonna raise or even call all in on the flop no matter what so just wait for a set to come or better and try and get as much as their willing to give u and then let other people on the table get the rest of his chips

[The Poker Don]

even if I have AA I will easily and immediately lay it down to someone who is hitting consecutive garbage hands. I have seen AA get busted way too often with this type of scenario.

If you are letting a loose player get to you this much then you are certainly going to lose to them more often than not. You should never lay down AA pf to anyone, let alone someone playing garbage hands.

The way to beat these guys is simple - just be patient and play good poker. Inevitably they are going to get lucky against you on occasion, and it may be hard to keep your cool when their K4s takes down your KK. But remind yourself that their playing like this against you is going to make you alot of money in the long run, and that their occasional win is what keeps them coming back.

[Huskers314]

If you are letting a loose player get to you this much then you are certainly going to lose to them more often than not. You should never lay down AA pf to anyone, let alone someone playing garbage hands.

The way to beat these guys is simple - just be patient and play good poker. Inevitably they are going to get lucky against you on occasion, and it may be hard to keep your cool when their K4s takes down your KK. But remind yourself that their playing like this against you is going to make you alot of money in the long run, and that their occasional win is what keeps them coming back.

Agreed. Laying down AA preflop to a donkey may be the most preposterous thing I've heard in awhile. I might stop playing speculative hands against a very unpredictable opponent, but last I checked two aces preflop is as good as it gets.

[liladypokerpro]

To each his own, that is what the forum is for...to voice everyone's separate opinions. I do what works best for me, and you do what works best for you. I won't knock you for your choices, and I'd appreciate the same courtesy in return. I am simply speaking from my own personal experiences while holding AA to people who inevitably caught 2 pair or better with their rags, and chased no matter how it was played out. So, I simply avoid the confrontation when it comes down to a short stack, or a loose maniac, or a strung out tilted player. I don't lose very much by folding them... considering what a rarity it is to get them, let alone to get them in the situations I just mentioned. It's not as common as a cold, fellas!

[TheyNeverLearn]

well me i have seen aa get beat a lot by any 2 cards so me i think aa is over rated i mean its just a pair when u really think about it any pair can get beat

[The Poker Don]

Sorry, still don't see how any serious player can lay down AA to someone playing any 2 cards. Of course it will sometimes lose, but by folding any premium hand against these guys you are giving up far to big an edge.

The key to playing against manic donks is to not let them put you off your game. If you are a better player than they are, and consistently go into the flop with better hands then they do, in the long run you are going to turn a profit against them. Period. While you certainly want to avoid getting sucked into playing sub par hands because they never seem to have anything good, It is when you play 'scared' that you get punished. While they will inevitably pull off some painful bad beats, the reality is that they are probably losing alot of money, and you want to be the one to take it.

[irishpkr]

To fold AA preflop, EVER (in a cash game ofcourse), is probably the biggest leak possible... well that was easy

[AnArkhos]

AA's are at their best after the flop if u flopped a third one. Usually I get callers if I make a moderate play with the aces, instead of blasting like hell when I hit them. That way I can get some playes out of the hand, but enough in it to get the pot big enough justify a strong play with aces on the flop. Sure, some scare flops exist, it's always easier to lay down your aces if a horrible flop hits the table.

AA's are just a hand still. And unless u improve it during the hand, it might not win no matter how bad we want it.

IF the raise is big enough to get the garbage out, usually u get a call that is usually a 'drawing maxed' hands, not pocket pairs. More like TJ,s KQs, etc. That way u get a chance of hitting something better. And then we see some outdrawing.

[TheyNeverLearn]

thanks anarkhos that is kind of what i was saying and lilady says tell you also she says thank she will log on after i sign off to say so but anyway its like i said before aa is just a pair just like any other pair and can get beat by any two cards and i stand by that but yes i agree it is good to see a flop with them but then you put yourself in the position to be forced out of the hand if u dont hit or else chase it only to lose with it just because they are aces so thats why i just let it go early saves a lot of drama.

[liladypokerpro]

Thanks AnArkhos I appreciate that post. Thing is, people don't really understand where I'm coming from because I can't always explain things they way I am thinking them. Of course I always like to see a flop with AA (if the price is right)...but just like my partner said, AA is a pair like any other. Yes, it is the highest pair possible, but it is still just a pair. If you are fortunate enough to be at a good table with decent players, you can almost always make good with them. But online, it is rare that a raise will scare out a determined fish...and this is where if I don't hit on the flop, it gets a little tricky...especially if they use the typical "All In No Matter What" move.

Live play and online play for me are two completely different worlds. As for live play, I am pretty much by-the-book, but online, more often than not, it seems the book goes right out the window. lol

Anyway it is not all that often that you get dealt AA, and it is really rare that you end up with AA against an UTG out of position on the bubble, so the fact that I would fold in that scenario is not going to cost me a dime in the long run. It's just another hand....

[dulken]

when i play against fishes like these i tend to pick up my fishing rod put on a hook in the form of AA KK QQ or any other premium hand like flopped sets/straights/flushes or really hardcore draws and wind em in when i hit. really these people aren't the hardest to play against. ofc. sometimes you might lose, but in for the majority of times you just make a massive amount of money and say bye bye.

[liladypokerpro]

It's so funny while on topic.....I have been in a game now for the past 3 hours or so......and out of 7 times a player (not me) has had AA, 5 times it was busted to a fish LOL I know, I know...it depends on how the holder of the AA played them...usually...but in this case where one player in particular got them twice, he tried slowplaying them the first time, so of course he got beat easily...but then the second time he got them he tried being aggressive with them and somebody caught their chase card on the river. The thing is I can easily believe that it is just bad luck or bad play that makes AA lose...but the thing is, online, especially in free games or low stakes, it's more often times the bad play of the one sucking out that causes them to lose most often...just my opinion...

[irishpkr]

"Of course I always like to see a flop with AA"

There sounds like some implication that, at some point you have folded AA preflop in a cash game? Like any hand, it is dangerous to overplay aces, but if you know how to play decently, nothing to worry about

[liladypokerpro]

"Of course I always like to see a flop with AA"

There sounds like some implication that, at some point you have folded AA preflop in a cash game? Like any hand, it is dangerous to overplay aces, but if you know how to play decently, nothing to worry about

No not in cash games...just referring to another post where someone asked what would others do if they held AA against bubble boy in a tourney and the bubble was short stacked and went all in. To me, I see no point in possibly doubling up the bubble in a case where they are so short stacked they might go all in with any two cards. That's all.

[PointerJake]

It's so funny while on topic.....I have been in a game now for the past 3 hours or so......and out of 7 times a player (not me) has had AA, 5 times it was busted to a fish LOL I know, I know...it depends on how the holder of the AA played them...usually...but in this case where one player in particular got them twice, he tried slowplaying them the first time, so of course he got beat easily...but then the second time he got them he tried being aggressive with them and somebody caught their chase card on the river. The thing is I can easily believe that it is just bad luck or bad play that makes AA lose...but the thing is, online, especially in free games or low stakes, it's more often times the bad play of the one sucking out that causes them to lose most often...just my opinion...
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I agree whole heartedly!! I have resorted back to only playing live cash games lately and the style of play is completly different.