playing against luck

[Roboligraphy]

Folding AA preflop at any time is a horrible move in Texas Hold 'Em; why would you fold the nuts at any point in the game? All you can do is put your money in with the best hand and hope. I do not like putting all my money in preflop but when I have AA, I'll have absolutely no hesitation calling an all in pre flop. I think folding it is an appalling move, because although the fish may hit sometimes more often than not you are going to be walking away with the money. While I know that everyone plays hands different, and I'm not a pro by any means I haven't heard ANYONE besides liladypokerpro has folded AA preflop....its just a bad move.

These are the players who will inevitably win it all or lose miserably...more often than not, the latter.

No these are the players who beat a few people than lose horribly.

[liladypokerpro]

Folding AA preflop at any time is a horrible move in Texas Hold 'Em; why would you fold the nuts at any point in the game?

OK please don't take this the wrong way because I mean no harm in saying this....I am going to quote someone whom I've known many years and plays poker for a living:

"One hand cannot be labeled as 'the nuts' unless it is won 100% of the time. To my knowledge, no hand has ever won every single time it has been played. The final card dealt in a hand determines who is holding the nuts, as by definition, 'the nuts' means 'the winning hand'..."

Granted, pre-flop, AA is always the nuts...key word is "pre-flop." But people assume too often that it is unbeatable after the fact.

Let's raise this question: If you hold KK, and an A hits on the flop and you are faced with the decision to move all in due to a huge raise, would you? Or would you realize that KK might as well be 22 versus a pair of Aces?

The ONLY times I have had to choke it up and fold AA after the flop is if it was very obviously beaten....It is hard for me to explain the details of each situation...I have said over and over that this is a RARE occurrence....but I will not ever risk doubling up a short-stacked bubble player with any hand...period.

[Roboligraphy]

Personally, if I notice a player doing something ridiculous like going all in every hand, etc, and it's early in the tournament, I prefer to make use of my will power...wait him out...let him be someone else's problem, or profit...even if I have AA I will easily and immediately lay it down to someone who is hitting consecutive garbage hands. I have seen AA get busted way too often with this type of scenario

Also can you clarify if you are talking about laying it down preflop or post flop because from your initial post it makes it sound like you are talking preflop.

Please read what I said; all that was posted has to do with preflop and AA. Nothing about playing it after the flop. I do not like to overplay my big pairs either although sometimes mistakes are made but if someone is consistently playing garbage and the flop is 3-6-J and there is a big raise would you fold it because the last time the player hit 2 pair with J-3.

[liladypokerpro]

Also can you clarify if you are talking about laying it down preflop or post flop because from your initial post it makes it sound like you are talking preflop.

Please read what I said; all that was posted has to do with preflop and AA. Nothing about playing it after the flop. I do not like to overplay my big pairs either although sometimes mistakes are made but if someone is consistently playing garbage and the flop is 3-6-J and there is a big raise would you fold it because the last time the player hit 2 pair with J-3.

Yes I was speaking post-flop, not pre. I've had the flu the past week so my brains are probably fried by this point LOL Sorry for the confusion.

[Vito_Nuccio]

AA preflop is the best starting hand, period. Aside from another player having the same hand, AA is the best starter. If playing no limit hold em there is no better situation then to have someone challenage for all your chips preflop when you are holding aces. Aces can and will be beaten, but will win (preflop) more often against any other starting hand in the longrun.

AA is the only hand I will never lay down preflop, it does not matter if the entire table calls, I am in.

Post Flop, any hand may be folded.

Thanks,

[mikeyu21]

Folding AA is correct when you have a lot of chips on table and are winning a lot of pots preflop if there are only 2 tables left and if you bust someone thne the tables combine and you are no longer the chip leader. Why bust someone when you can continue to dominate the table and take more and more chips to give yourself a better chance to win. Also it is correct to fold aces preflop in a satelite when you have enough chips to just wait for 1 or 2 more people to get knocked out so you can move on.

[Behemoth777]

I`ve noticed that if someones getting lucky they will beat you with poor starting hands,thus making luck a big part of the game,I`m still not sure what feeling lucky is,as like yourself I try to play the good hands well and hard,and will get beat by the lucky players,so I do try and stay out the next few hands they are in until they make mistakes and the luck goes,but even today I noticed how players that are getting lucky,will stay lucky for a good hour before losing a hand.I got beat in the ofc game today by a player with j3 off ,he had one the previous 3 hands.
I had kk,he hit two pair on turn after going allin on his jack on the flop of JQ4.but he had been getting lucky so I asume he still felt lucky?who knows he had no info from me and was first to bet,so I guess he`s a donk,but could be that lucky feeling hey??
lol
It`s crazy.
If I don`t make a good stack within the first hour,I won`t get lucky enough to get anywhere hanging on in there,so my advice is play hard early with good to medium starting hands then come off the gas and wait for the pocket pairs to come,if they don`t then it`s not your day you may still just be able to grind out a bubble maybe.
It`s the first hour thats important!!
good luck all.

[phaul]

I can't quite believe this thread happened.