Was This Wrong???

[liladypokerpro]

Here's the Scenario:

Say you are heads-up with a player whom has mucked a lot of raised and over-bet hands, and only showed the real nuts when he/she did show, so you are not really sure if this person is a bluffer or not.

You have 3x the amount of chips as the other player.


The first hand dealt heads-up, the player raises all in...you have rags and fold.

The second hand dealt, you raise with a pair of 4s...again, the player goes all in, and you elect to fold.


The third hand in heads-up play, you are dealt A 3. You raise about half the other players stack. Player just calls.

The flop comes off: 8 K 3. The other player moves all in.

At this point you have a pair and the nut flush draw. You have the other player covered, and are not sure if he/she has been bluffing with all these all in bets.


You elect to call.



You show your A 3

Other Player shows: K 2



Turn: 3

River: A



You win the game with a full house, Threes Full of Aces.

Other player hangs around after the game is over to ask you how you could make that call, saying that is not good poker.

Was this play really wrong?

[irishpkr]

its an insta call, just think of the pot odds and its pretty obvious to call, so already you raised half his stack, he calls. To call the all-in you need to put in half his stack, to win the 1.5stacks in there already, so you get 3to1 on your money, if opponent shows you a SET you still have the right odds to call. To fold pair + NFD against a shortie is burning money

/lock imo

[Gothman]

Heads up, snap call every time.

[tenpoundcarp]

I agree. automatic call. That guy was just mad that he got beat.

[Vito_Nuccio]

Heads up, easy call. You have the nut flush draw, overcard, bottom pair, chip stack and chance to win.

[phaul]

Snap call. If he has AK or A8 you're 43%, any 2 pr you're between 43.5% and 46.5%. The only time it's marginal is if he has a set when you're 29%. Obviously you're crushing another fd and you're flipping with any other pair. And this is assuming he always has a hand.

But of course he doesn't have AK, A8, KK, or 88 cos he'd have shoved pre, so even if he always has a hand you're getting something like 49% equity. So snap.

[liladypokerpro]

Thanks all.....this was my thinking as well.....just needed some second opinions to make sure I wasn't missing something.

[Fictive]

Automatic call, no question about it. There's the nut flush draw, and there might've also been a chance that he didn't hit anything, so (altough extremely unlikely), even the paired 3 could've been good, and there was a right price there to take him out.

The other player was just mad about losing, that's why he/she would say something like "that's bad poker". No it wasn't.

[MLitteer]

he was blowing off steam. Thats a no brainer, end of story.

[frob23]

Early in a tournament... I might let that go. At a full table, I might let that go. Heads up in that spot... with that action pre-flop (which is fairly standard in my eyes), I am going to the felt with bottom pair alone against that player. If they hadn't bet all-in, I would have. Most flops miss most hands... so I would consider it unlucky if they had an 8 or K... and get on with my life.

As it is, you have so many outs to the best hand (nine for the flush, two 3s, three As) that even if you knew he had connected with the flop... you'd still call. And that player would easily make that move after missing in the hopes that you'd missed too. So factor in the bluffs, your outs, the insanely good pot odds (3-1 for your 1-1 shot)... plus that winning ends the game for them and losing doesn't really put you in horrible shape... and there is no way I am folding.