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[liladypokerpro]

A good friend of mine was reading some threads over my shoulder, and brought up a very interesting question. I thought perhaps it would get a good response here, so I am taking dictation as it is told to me by my friend LOL. Have fun with this one!

Many people have brought up that their dominant hands are consistently being beaten too often by weak or utterly ridiculous hands.

To examine the objective of Online poker sites, such as: Absolute, Poker Stars and Full Tilt, one must ask these questions:

Q: Who are the main targets of these sites through mass media advertising?
A: New or fairly inexperienced players. Why? Because, through advertising, these sites state things such as: "Learn, chat and play with the pros," or "Play for free and learn to play like the pros."

NOW FOR THE WHOPPER QUESTION THAT I THINK WILL GET A HUGE RESPONSE:

Q: Would it be unlikely to assume, that because these sites' goals are to attract these new or less-experienced players, the site would not be inclined to favor these players in order to keep them coming back?

While pondering this, take also into consideration how many of these players just "happen" to catch their miracle card on the river. Although it is difficult to fathom how such a populous site could be in this way "controlled," it is by no means unheard of nor impossible.

If the multitude of new players lost consistently to the better players, would that be good business in the eyes of these sites? Of course not. Your thoughts?

[PointerJake]

Hit the nail on the head!! Definetly a business, and most businesses in one way or another are out for them selves.

I basically wrote the same thing to Ultimate bet one time after getting a chit ton of bad beats. They tried to explain the random number generator to me and they also told me that because of so many hands being played online that the % not the number of bad beats would be greater. Well I think thats bull. Then they gave me a free 50 tourny dollars to make me feel good about it But I think it was because they wanted me to shut my mouth.

[PointerJake]

Also, I wonder if this is the case. Is there anything as a poker community that we can do about it? Probably not.

[liladypokerpro]

Nope, most probably not, because it would take mountains of physical evidence and as much money.

[Huskers314]

I can't believe how much play the same ridiculous "online poker is rigged" posts get on this forum. I personally think it's sickening. If you don't trust it, don't play. Or better yet, decide if you would really enjoy playing a game where whoever was dealt the best starting hand automatically won every time regardless of skill or luck. Doesn't sound like much fun to me. Sometimes you hold up, sometimes they catch up......THAT'S THE FREAKIN' GAME!!!! Sorry for venting here, this is not even close to the worst thread, but I can only stand so much whining and this is where I landed.

OK....I feel better now. Good day, all.

[liladypokerpro]

I can't believe how much play the same ridiculous "online poker is rigged" posts get on this forum. I personally think it's sickening. If you don't trust it, don't play. Or better yet, decide if you would really enjoy playing a game where whoever was dealt the best starting hand automatically won every time regardless of skill or luck. Doesn't sound like much fun to me. Sometimes you hold up, sometimes they catch up......THAT'S THE FREAKIN' GAME!!!! Sorry for venting here, this is not even close to the worst thread, but I can only stand so much whining and this is where I landed.

OK....I feel better now. Good day, all.

Just so ya know..........I was ASKED to post this.............chill...........lol

[mrsclouder12]

It is funny, I have noticed that the only people who make these kind of postulations are losing players who A) dont understand how to play the game and B) havent putten in enough volume to see both sides of variance.

[PointerJake]

Im definatly not a losing player and if you think I am come play me on ultimate bet; Username PointerJake

There are definatly re-accuring tendencies. The trick is to discover them and work around them
thus cashing every week

[stoffmakers]

funny thing ive noticed actually. me and almost all of my friends have done well when we began as new online players. and then it slowly turned bad. maybe its cuz once ppl start winning and have money they change something up. and maybe it takes some mad skill to convert into a consistently winning player. as for sites setting it up for new players to run well, although it might seem that way, it cant be true cuz the cards are random. this guy i know once thought that online poker sites and casinos are affiliated. and he thought that since his friend, who is a HUGE baccarat player won a 10k seat on pstars, that it must have been setup for him to win so he can blow hundreds of Gs in the casino. fat chance.

[MLitteer]

I still like to call it the donkey rewards program...... random card me all you want, then sit back and watch objectively. I have cut my playing time from hours daily to maybe an hour every third day. I like live cash games on the weekend. Once in a while you see a sickening suckout and you can say "eh its part of the game" but thats probably a lot easier to say because unlike online, you didn't see it 6 out of the last 10 hands.......

[BUILDMO]

Why get involved with a hand if you recognize the donks early on?
You wont win every time but your ROI is evident in the end.

New players are on the down turn, let's just weed out the rest!

[Vito_Nuccio]

The conspiracy theory the room is rigged. If you do not trust a site, do not play there, why would you risk your cash? You say you are a winning player but are complaining about the hands you lose Suckouts happen and poker players have a great memory about the losing suckout, what about all the times when you were behind and hit? It happens both ways. If it seems you are being sucked out more often than not, it means you are getting your money in with the best hand, in the long run it will pay off, but there will be bursts of bad luck along the way.

[IFixlexus]

To be honest, the entire "online poker is rigged" discussion is like kicking a dead dog. There's going to be conspiracy theories until the end of time. The good thing is nobody is forcing anybody to deposit money into their sites, so if you don't trust a site, you shouldn't play there.
Would you put your money in a bank that wasn't FDIC insured?

[liladypokerpro]

I agree but as I said my buddies brought it up and I figured their level of thinking was good enough to drudge up a good discussion here, and they wanted to see what you all would respond about their thoughts, so that is why I posted it. If I thought online poker was rigged beyond a shadow of a doubt then of course I would not play. That's like buying a whole roll of scratch off tickets when there is only one winning ticket.......kinda silly LOL.

[mundybags1]

I have to argue in the point that yes most poker rooms are just out to make money for themselves with no kindness to the players but I have soom great news. I play at fortune poker and the customer service is so amazing it is unreal. I have direct contact with the owner any time I need him or his dedicated employees.

I would recommend checking them out before you classify all of the poker rooms the same.

[allthatremains]

I do not believe the sites I play on are rigged.

Having said that, I seem to lose a lot of multi player, all in, pre flop pots where I'm the overwhelming favorite. Example: I have KK vs. JJ and A10.

I'm not sure of the percentages, but I think I must be around 50% to win this and triple up. Seems like I only win about 1/3 or less of these pots, but could be selective memory.

Anyone else experience this?

[liladypokerpro]

Allthatremains:

I'm sure we have all experienced this online, but the problem is not with the poker sites, but with the players who are playing the "less than acceptable" hands..........we tend to forget that every player does not know odds, percentages, and so forth..........so they likely play more hands that many of us wouldn't dream of chasing with, and typically, they get lucky against the monster hands. The only consolation to this, is that they can't and won't win more frequently than a player who has a solid hand selection, and plays their hands properly. Player Notes are very helpful when you run into people who play those lesser hands, so you don't make the same mistakes against them more than once. Also, note how much it takes to get them to fold.....I've noticed a lot of players will fold to anything that puts their stack in jeopardy.....whether at cash tables or tourneys. But you have to be careful when it comes to rebuy tournaments, as before the first break, many people will try and double up with just about any hand, with the knowledge that if they lose, they can simply rebuy.

[Fictive]

[QUOTE=Buildmo;18986]You wont win every time but your ROI is evident in the end.[QUOTE]
Exactly. Nothing more to add. Well said. Hell, this month I'm down nearly 5x max buy-in, lost that money mostly due to suckouts, but regardless those hands are very profitable in the long run.

[irishpkr]

The problem with the human mind is that: we always tend to remember the bad times more acutely than the good times. I find with myself that the idea of losing a buyin is much more distressing than the joy of winning a buyin. And yes suckouts will happen as often as the % suggested, but ofcourse it very rarely does in a short term sample.

As an example over 8.5k hands this month, I've won with AA 82% of the time, which isnt far below what you expect vs a random hand. BUT! I've had aces cracked by 2outer on the river 3 or 4 times THIS MONTH ALONE, so I've lost with 2BI with aces this month. Its bad, but I expect in the next month or two I'll probably get very lucky with AA and make it all back

[Jonathank]

blah blah blah

you people think you are reeinventing the wheel or something.
like this topic hasn't been covered hundreds of thousands of times since 1999.

if you can find a tenured math or statistics professor to agree that any major site is rigged you should be able to extort millions from them.