Can you fold Kings?

[Vito_Nuccio]

Preflop Kings are very hard to get away from unless you have a very good read, but what about when an ace flops, can you fold Kings?

[Lapiano]

.......Why not ?

[Vito_Nuccio]

I do not have any problem folding any hand at any time. Preflop aces are the only auto forward hand in poker.

Last night I kept my kings preflop, it was later in a single table S&G, blinds getiing up there, I made a nice raise preflop, was re-raised, I had too much invested in the current pot to fold this time, he had his aces, I lost. I did not have the best of reads on this player, but at the time of the game I felt the play was fine.

The other day I had the ace on the flop scenerio when having poket kings. Once the other player bet the flop, the kings went into the muck. I had a pretty good read on this player and knew he had a better hand, maybe even trips.

Kings are a great starting hand, but after the flop I play all pairs accordingly now that a 5 card hand is determined. Not all aces will scare off my kings, but folding is always an option.

Thanks,

[saruzzu82]

Preflop i have never folded Kings, but it would be ok only in very deep game (more than 400BB), both in cash game than in MTT.

Flop with Ace on the board, you should have particolaur reasion to don't fold Kings

[Fictive]

A scenario where folding kings is quite easy, and this seems to happen a whole lot at NL100. Someone makes a standard bet pre-flop, you raise a hefty amount, say $12-$15, it gets folded to the original bettor who makes then a ridiculously huge re-raise. That's an easy fold, even if he didn't have aces, it's still right to fold.

On the flop I normally don't fold KK even if an ace hits the board. It seems that people are a little too worried about the ace hitting opponents hand. If I've got position, depending on the player up against me, I either call or raise. Someone could hold for example AQ or AK and be worried about your hand, so they might check the turn, or just bet too little. Then I just keep calling if the bets are "too small" in relation to the pot. OOP it's naturally a lot more difficult, and I just play it "by the ear". One time I might fold, the other raise, etc... Depending on a number of things.

[allthatremains]

How could folding KK pre-flop be the right decision "even if he didn't have aces"?

[irishpkr]

To fold kings with 100BB stacks in a cash game is burning money, unless ofcourse you have some insanely solid read on some guy (unlikely for the most part)- if opponent has 4bet, he could have QQ+, maybe even AK sometimes. Against QQ+ you're 50/50, snapcall. To fold KK in tourney is similarly bad, you'll run into TT+, AK when the stacks start to get short, just get it in.

[iceveins0901]

I actually lost a Blind vs Blind AA vs KK last night. Preflop I cant fold, and post flop with no ace I am pretty much screwed. Post flop with an ace I better have a damn good read to fold. I have even won pots when the Ace hits on the flop. Lets just say if an Ace flops, the action does not get too crazy. I have also folded Kings post flop / post turn with very heavy draw boards and multiple villains.

[edit] my experiences have been cash games, i dont play enough tournaments.

[st_ever]

I have folded Kings and Aces a few times preflop. Mainly in satelites when i'm almost 100% to get my seat so i can just fold all the way.
I have also folded Kings in a MTT onne time sticks out was on a final table. There was a raise utg, re raise utg +1 and a all in on the button,I was bb. One of them i thought must have Ace so i folded. Turned out they Had QQ and AK but i think that is a good fold in the long run.
Generally thogh a preflop fold of KK is pretty bad.

[liladypokerpro]

Folding Kings takes a good read and a lot of discipline. I've been forced to do so many times and have never regretted it. Folding any pocket pair can be hard for some people, but when you're beat and you KNOW you're beat, just let it go....just let it go....

[Latrocinium]

I've had a few times where I knew they were beat. Either preflop or they were just gonna be drawn out on.

Of that I've listened once, and that was actually with AA. (Yes I was right) So go figure. I've folded them once on the bubble of a tourney,(purely on harrington logic, it turned out to be wrong that time, but I understand the logic, and it worked. Just chipped me bad.) and a couple of times after a A hit someone hard.

Other than that. I've had a real hard time getting away from them preflop.

Sometimes you just know they're beat, but how do you not call, preflop?


Now postflop it becomes easier, cuz then it's just a pair of kings. Any A sucker might catch so I'm aggressively cautious to the river. Dependent on position.

[saruzzu82]

Who folded Kings preflop should post some Hand History... Preflop KK it is a standard shove, with very few exceptions, this is ABC poker!!!

[JonaBullets]

I folded Kings once (In a Ring Game) preflop... I had a feeling that he had Aces. I bet 3x... and he made it like 20x or something over massive. Knowing/Feeling he had the mighty pair i kinda lost all vaule with the KK to the mighty raise. I folded the hand, the good thing was that there was another caller in the hand. And couldn't get away from AceKing suited. He called. For memory he had less chips then either of us, and sure enough AA vs AK... the sick thing was that AK drew out to a flush.

Also to add: I have never folded AA preflop, but have folded them alot of the time post flop. In a tourny close to the money on a board QsQhJs just to many draws out there to put it all in on a pair.

Also Also to add: I've been watching a bit of FTP ring games... and the AA vs KK comes up alot. And 80% of the time... KK will flop a set... and AA with either turn or river a set. Set over Set seems to be a normal thing on FTP. Once saw JJ vs 77 vs 22, Flop was J72. Tell me the odds of that please?

Well I have added a bit more then just the story of KK. Please dont shoot me.

[rlg476]

good lay down

[Brooklynbum]

Folding KK is tricky sometimes. This is a leak in my game, I'll admit. Sometimes I can fold KK and sometimes I can't. It really depends. If you're getting 3 bet preflop then you might be able to dump KK. Can't say that I have but I've definitely dropped KK post flop and it doesn't take an Ace on the flop for me to fold KK (if you put the other guy on a set etc.).

Most players will sometimes just call with AA and then the flop comes and it's all low cards and you're getting stacked b/c the guy with AA doesn't know enough to pop your raise (and we wonder why so many people comlplain about getting their AA cracked when they don't play AA correctly).

The one thing I've learned (and believe me it's cost me a lot of money to learn this lesson) is that I don't fall in love with any type of hand AA included. So it really depends on the situation.

One thing I know for sure....a really good disciplined player can fold KK in any situation, especially with a lot of money on the line.

[mikeyu21]

its a lot easier to fold in a cash game. I will not do it in a tournament if you got me you got me

[mikeyu21]

on the flop of course it is much easier

[Banez86]

I can fold KK, i can even fold AA if needed. I have however... lost several times just because i refuse to think my hand is beat and push all in and watch some guy with nutstraight to beat my high pockets..

Those things happen.. but preflop AI with AA or KK for me... i would definitetly go in.. if i lose i lose.. Postflop AA or KK.. could be fold.. depends of the read on opponent.. if i feel he has me beat it goes for fold.

[liladypokerpro]

aggressively cautious...hmm...isn't that an oxymoron? LOL

[Latrocinium]

aggressively cautious...hmm...isn't that an oxymoron? LOL

Na, I'd say it's more of a contradiction.