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    Default Clonie Gowen on Odds

    This post is courtesy of an article from Full Tilt. Author: Clonie Gowen. Thought some people might get some useful tips from it, so here it is. Enjoy! PS > This thread should not be considered for PTOTW. This is a direct copy-paste and is only for the purpose of helping our members.



    A Way To Approximate The Odds
    Clonie Gowen
    March 21, 2005


    It is very difficult to calculate the exact odds of hitting a drawing hand when you're sitting at the poker table. Unless you're a genius with a gift for mathematics like Chris Ferguson, you will not be able to do it. That leaves two options for the rest of us: The first option is to sit at home with a calculator, figure out the odds for every possible combination of draws, and then memorize them. That way, no matter what situation comes up, you always know the odds. But for those of us without a perfect memory, there's an easier way. Here is a simple trick for estimating those odds.

    The first thing you need to do is to figure out how many "outs" you have. An "out" is any card that gives you a made hand. To do this, simply count the number of cards available that give the hand you are drawing to. For example: suppose you hold Ac 8c and the flop comes Qh 9c 4c. You have a flush draw. There are thirteen clubs in the deck and you are looking at four of them -- the two in your hand, and the two on the board. That leaves nine clubs left in the deck, and two chances to hit one.

    The trick to figuring out the approximate percentage chance of hitting the flush is to multiply your outs times the number of chances to hit it. In this case that would be nine outs multiplied by two chances, or eighteen. Then take that number, multiply times two, and add a percentage sign. The approximate percentage of the time you will make the flush is 36%. (The exact percentage is 34.97%.) Now let's say that on that same flop you hold the Jd Th. In this case you would have an open ended straight draw with eight outs to hit the straight (four kings and four eights). Eight outs with two cards to come gives you sixteen outs. Multiply times two and you will hit the straight approximately 32% (31.46% exactly) of the time.

    One important thing to keep in mind is that the percentage stated is merely the percentage of the time that you will hit the hand you are drawing to, NOT the percentage of time that you will win the pot. You may hit your hand and still lose. In the first example, the Qc will pair the board and may give some article a full house. In the second example both the Kc and the 8c will put a possible flush on the board, giving you the straight, but not necessarily the winning hand. Still, knowing the approximate likelihood of making your hand is a good beginning step on the road to better poker.
    I see you talking but all I hear is blah blah blah

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    Clonie is one of the most over-rated players. I mean what has she really done? I dont think about that stuff when i play i just like pressure pressure and more pressure!

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    sorry but not thinking about 'that stuff' (odds) is pretty bad :/

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    [QUOTE=mikeyu21;17624]Clonie is one of the most over-rated players. I mean what has she really done? I dont think about that stuff when i play i just like pressure pressure and more pressure![/QUOTE
    She won Miss jr. Texas or something like that as far as poker she has donked off more entry fees than anyone on the planet the last 5 years.

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