Am I a donk?

[bowlaman]

Well I recently went deep and took 2nd in a $3 tournament. I was called a donk 3 times by 2 different players. Both times were at the final table. First with 8 left I was in early position and I limped in with AA. the button raises pot and the BB reraises all in. I reraise myself all in to put both the players all in. they call and both flip over AK. All the aces are gone and no flush hits and I win. A guy not even in the hand i will call Jojo, types DONK!!! and I ask who? he replies me and then rants on how you should never slow play AA in a tournament and its a total donk move??? Why would slow playing pre flop nuts and almost tripleling up due to the play be bad??? Honestly if I raise there the button will surely call but if he reraises that might have scared out the BB and would have cost me over 2/5 the pot in lost winnings. So why in the world would that make me a donk???

Next heads up I am 1/6th my opponents stack. I have roughly 12BB left and need to make a move. I pick up 22 and push all in. After like 20 sec my opponent "bob" (random name) Calls and flips over K6 the 22 holds and I become closer. He starts complaining that I totally donked out and that the tournament should have ended right there. aznd said putting my life on 22 was rediculous??? I mean heads up low stacked I am darn sure 22 is solid to go in with. At very worst I pick up the blind which at this point every one is vital to my life.

What do you all think about these 2 situations???

Also dsoes it seem that people just hatye losing and there only comeback to lost chips is to just cry foul to whoever won the hand?

[dashrki8fish]

im doubting ur telling the whole truth about this story here cuz i have never ever heard nebody call somebody a donk for winning with aces buddy that seems a little farfetched for me 2 believe im sure u probably sucked out chasing or something so they called u a donk and u came here posting this to try and get ppl to say no man your not a donkey when in fact if u have to ask then the asnwer is yes cuz if u wasnt a donk u wouldnt have 2 ask

[GainerRakeback]

First, I love your play slow playing the AA. [Based on some recent cash game experience, I was, and am, going to post a new thread with examples about similarily limping in the BB with hands like AK/ AQ/ AJ.] Your play was the perfect disguise. Usually a limp implies weakness, so players will assume you got nothing strong and just wanna see a flop. It gets them to commit their chips with weaker hands, and they're pis*ed when they see your great hand.

And when you're short stacked in a tourney, you gotta make a stand at some point. Any pair, even ducks, is a favorite over any two over cards, whether 34 or AK. When did they want you to push? When you got AK with 10 chips left? A pair is the perfect time to push a short stack in a tourney.

Some players just dont like losing or being tricked, and these guys didn't like it. But poker ain't about making friends, it's about making money.

[frob23]

Sure you're a donk. But we're all donks sometimes.

I don't mind the AA limp, I don't like it either, but since you could reasonably expect someone to try and steal by shoving after you limp... it isn't horrible. The only reason I don't like it is because open-limping that late in a tournament should be advertising to the rest of the table that you have AA or KK (less likely). I can't imagine you open-limping anything else. Obviously the table was unobservant or didn't care because AK is usually a fairly decent monster hand and it makes your holding AA less likely... and you won a big pot.

The 2-2 hand is fine. You're going to need to make a stand and 22 is good enough against a random hand. I don't like it only because it's so easily dominated or counterfeited but that is poker. I doubt you would see a better hand soon enough (depending on how short you were) so going with it was fine. Especially if you thought the guy might fold to the all-in some of the time -- and he probably will.

[iceveins0901]

We discussed the idea of limp raising Aa in EP this weekend at the casino, nd it is a good play if you have a good idea that the pot will be raised, like in your case it was, nice hand. The problem comes when people dont fold AA after they open limp and see a cheap flop.

Either way, NH with the AA.

With the 22, that sounds fine too, short stacked in a tourney heads up, and you won a 50 50 shot, actually considering his cards werent connected (not suited either?) you had your best chance to win with deuces out of most starting hands. Sounds like you were playing against some donks, which the $3 tourney, those guys should look in the mirror.

[bossmanisme]

"Why would slow playing pre flop nuts and almost tripleling up due to the play be bad???"

for starters, aces are not immortal. just because a hand is the nuts does not mean it's not vulnerable. and aces definitely fall into that category. second of all, i don't like limping with aces in bad games, and any 3 dollar buy in is going to be bad. the reason being because people like to limp a lot. when you limp with aces and now 3 or 4 other people just call and you see the flop it's pretty tough for your aces to still be the best hand. even on a perfect flop like K72rainbow. where as if you raise, you protect your hand and will most likely still get plenty of action due to it being a game with bad players. ideally you want 1 or 2 callers. but no, he's an idiot for calling you a donkey.

deuces there, with those chip stacks, are an auto-push. but you *definitely* want a muck. at best you're racing. i'm assuming the blinds are pretty huge at that point, and you want to take them down. the reason you push is that *if* you get called, hopefully you're still 50%, or by some crazy chance vs. A2. if you're both 30 BB's deep then that's a different story... even less of a donkey in this spot.

people berate others because it makes them feel better about their own game. if they can convince themselves that they played well then they're happy, and they prove that by saying everyone else plays bad.

[BUILDMO]

I have to think that your play was good. Someone is mad about their bad read.
AA must be played with extreme caution if slow playing.

Looking back at your own hands played, you know what are donk moves and what are legitimate plays. So, If you think you played donkish, you probably did, otherwise, ride the wave and win the hands.

Bad beats and suckouts do happen, but with solid play, a cash will ususally happen.

Donks do suckout. Get used to the sad calls (one outer wins) since everybody is an expert, (at being lucky every now and then).

[bowlaman]

first boss. I know they arnt emortal hence me saying they are PRE flop nuts. Cause no mater what I am willing before the flop. I know after the flop I could be drawing dead. Im not retarted. I know the odds with aces and I think everyone knows aces are always the favored hand pre flop.

Dashki8fish. I posted the hands exactly as they went. Dont accuse me of something you have no clue about.

I talked to some friends and we all agree that they said that because they were just pissed I outsmarted them and they lost.

I have seen that saying or whay I like to call the new crying wolf being crying DONK has become more of a reflex than actually saying it to people who "donk out". People use it as a way to feel better about there own game after losing. Its thewre way of tricking themselves into thinking that they are the best and luck is the only think keeping them from winning. Where in many cases they actually were losing, or in a race situation (AK to 66 or something) or they just plain got out played and out smarted by someone else.

People need to learn to take a hit and just move on and try to hit someone back. Instead of putting themselves on tilt over every little suckout. I cant tell you how many times people freak out about losing a hand where they were only 60-40 pre flop. Its soooo funny.

[Krahsami]

Woah slow down Just kidding. You know I used to act childish like that myself at one point. Thing is no one needs to hear ppl saying crap like that. Even if the guy is a donkey and we know it, we don't need to spout off about it. Just take it with a grain of salt, and thier chippies.

As for Bob, We all know who the donk is when some one calls a short stack all in with K 6. Sure if you had maybe 5 blinds left ok. But 12 blinds and K6 is just really a donk move to put it bluntly. Also 22 is beating AK preflop so he doesn't have a clue. K 6 though is a dog to almost anything.

[iceveins0901]

I wouldnt go so far to say you had outsmarted them, apparently the chip leader in the second hand was just attempting to win one hand with a 6 to 1 chip lead, but he is an idiot for calling you a donk. On the first hand, your limp reraise is tricky and intelligent, but being that they both were all in preflop with a hand like AK, I think that was just good cards for you in that situation.

[iceveins0901]

you need chips dont you? I will ship you some if you stop triple posting.

[123bird]

Well I recently went deep and took 2nd in a $3 tournament. I was called a donk 3 times by 2 different players. Both times were at the final table. First with 8 left I was in early position and I limped in with AA. the button raises pot and the BB reraises all in. I reraise myself all in to put both the players all in. they call and both flip over AK. All the aces are gone and no flush hits and I win. A guy not even in the hand i will call Jojo, types DONK!!! and I ask who? he replies me and then rants on how you should never slow play AA in a tournament and its a total donk move??? Why would slow playing pre flop nuts and almost tripleling up due to the play be bad??? Honestly if I raise there the button will surely call but if he reraises that might have scared out the BB and would have cost me over 2/5 the pot in lost winnings. So why in the world would that make me a donk???

Next heads up I am 1/6th my opponents stack. I have roughly 12BB left and need to make a move. I pick up 22 and push all in. After like 20 sec my opponent "bob" (random name) Calls and flips over K6 the 22 holds and I become closer. He starts complaining that I totally donked out and that the tournament should have ended right there. aznd said putting my life on 22 was rediculous??? I mean heads up low stacked I am darn sure 22 is solid to go in with. At very worst I pick up the blind which at this point every one is vital to my life.

What do you all think about these 2 situations???

Also dsoes it seem that people just hatye losing and there only comeback to lost chips is to just cry foul to whoever won the hand?

In my opinion(for what its worth)you did nothing wrong,played it 100% well & if i were you wouldn't worry about the Morons.

WTF are people(use the term loosely)who are not in the tounrney, commenting on your play anyway,What makes IT, the king of poker(MR know it all) if they are so good, why is it there out & your on the final table

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The other Moron,he's such a great playerhe calls your all in, with K6(please)

I agree with you there only comeback is DONK.

I say F**k them & play your way

[nebster]

Your play was fine as noted above....I have been called a donk more times than I can count. But I tell you I never bad mouth another persons play at the table, just make notes for future reference. If your on Full Tilt....coler code them....blue is the donk code...yellow is the wanna be donk code...ect...ect....I do this because now I can look through all the cash games and look at which table my fish are at.

Keep up the good work and dont let them Mike the Mouth wannabee's get under your skin!

[Vito_Nuccio]

No problems with the plays. As Frob stated you may have tilted your hand with the limp of AA. Can not know for sure without knowing the style you play. If you are a tight player and were playing that way, the early limp would be an indication of a strong hand. Final table AK is probably not going anywhere anyways, maybe the last to act, but 3-1 will probably keep them around also.

As for heads up, no problem shoving with 22. Villian could have easily folded K-rag for 17% or so of their stack. Heads up, anything goes.

In response to the Donk call outs, remember you are at at $3 game, it is ripe with fish and donks. They are the ones who call others the names best suited for themselves.

Later,

[bombguy]

Well I recently went deep and took 2nd in a $3 tournament. I was called a donk 3 times by 2 different players. Both times were at the final table. First with 8 left I was in early position and I limped in with AA. the button raises pot and the BB reraises all in. I reraise myself all in to put both the players all in. they call and both flip over AK. All the aces are gone and no flush hits and I win. A guy not even in the hand i will call Jojo, types DONK!!! and I ask who? he replies me and then rants on how you should never slow play AA in a tournament and its a total donk move??? Why would slow playing pre flop nuts and almost tripleling up due to the play be bad??? Honestly if I raise there the button will surely call but if he reraises that might have scared out the BB and would have cost me over 2/5 the pot in lost winnings. So why in the world would that make me a donk???

Next heads up I am 1/6th my opponents stack. I have roughly 12BB left and need to make a move. I pick up 22 and push all in. After like 20 sec my opponent "bob" (random name) Calls and flips over K6 the 22 holds and I become closer. He starts complaining that I totally donked out and that the tournament should have ended right there. aznd said putting my life on 22 was rediculous??? I mean heads up low stacked I am darn sure 22 is solid to go in with. At very worst I pick up the blind which at this point every one is vital to my life.

What do you all think about these 2 situations???

Also dsoes it seem that people just hatye losing and there only comeback to lost chips is to just cry foul to whoever won the hand?

Just disable chat. I have played thousands of online tournaments and never had any opponent say anything intelligent or prophetic. Not worth my time. It's your money, play as you wish.

[gerhardt]

I also use the "detach chat" where it's available.

As these players try to use reverse psycoligy by saying childish things, like "ur mum", ur sis , etc. and then they play lotto poker with K 6 and call you a "donk" with AA and 22. As chipleader on a table, you can get away with most calls, but know when to fold'em, and when to hold'em.