F**k poker online

[123bird]

I'm so over poker online,its so f**ken frustrating

playing a $3 sng ,these are the last 3 hands i played

Hand 1-
I get AA ,raise pot,everyone folds

Hand 2-
I get 22, raise pot,one caller
flop is 25K
it checks,I bet,it calls
turn is Q
it checks,I bet(double pot),it calls
river is 7
it checks,I check
it shows 410


Hand 3-
I get 5-6,there's a small raise, i call, plus two other callers as well
flop is 2-3-4
I bet the double the pot,it gets raised,then re-raised all in ,I got to call
Its my 5-6(straight) vs A-A(aces) vs 3-3(trip's)
turn is a 9
river (no guessing) a fkn 2

If it were a one off thing, or even if it only happen every 5/10 games or so,you could handle it, but no,Crap like that happens online with such regularity(I'd say 9 out of 10 tourney's i play,no make that 99 out of 100) I'm starting to believe it when people say, online poker is RIGGED.
I play online poker for FUN(and it just isn't fun no more),I don't play online to make money,(play mostly $3/$5 sng's or mtt's)don't get me wrong, I play to win, but i'm realistic,you have to have, a bit of abillity & Whole lot of Luck(luck more than ability),& i'm not lucky or good enough to make a living playing poker.

I have a few $'s left in my account & am still waiting(3/4 months)for a refer a friend bonus to be payed,but when that runs out I think its time to take a long,long break.

[C8H10N4O2]

Crap happens at live tournaments as well. I watched a guy call numerous people's all ins, and he won everytime. AQ off vs AA, he hit a 4 card A high flush... AQ vs AK all in pre-flop, he hit 2 queens on the flop. 74 suited vs KK, he hit a flush. So even though you've had a bad run online... stuff still happens live man. It's called poker for a reason. If the best hand pre-flop were guarenteed to win, poker wouldn't be called poker, and it would not take place in a casino. Seriously, crap happens.

[GainerRakeback]

I wrote a thread a little while ago about online play vs. live play:
Online Cash Game Play vs. Casino Play - Rakeback Poker Forum

I think online it's just so much easier for players to click "call" or 'Raise pot" verses playing live where you have to pick up your chips, count them off manually, and put them in the pot with you and the other player looking each other in the eye, and all the other players watching, and some railbirds. And who's going to make a real embarrasing donk move live when you gotta face other people right there? Online, you're just a screen name. They don't care. Because your get more calls / action online, you're going to take more bad beats online.

Also contributing is the fact that online play has really low stakes available, like micro holdem
.10 / .20, and small buy-in SnGs like .50, $1 or $3. I've played them and find the lower the stakes the more loose and bad the play. They're just there to gamble and have fun, not sit back and wait for the 'right' hand to play, like in higher stakes games where there's real money at stake. Casinos don't have $1 and $3 SnGs. The lowest where I am is $75 (65 +15). And the lowest no limit holdem is $1/$2. Casinos can't afford to have micro games, they've got all that overhead and labor to pay. I was at the casino about a month ago at the cage for tourney registration where me and some others were chating, and a player came over and asked if he could get into a $20 Sit & Go. Inside I laughed. It was obvious he was an internet player and had never played at a casino. That casino's min SnG was $120. When we told him, he walked away. I played last Friday at a $75 SnG and finished 3rd. The play was all very good. No one sucked out or made a really questionable decision.

I play just for fun too, but it's the nature of the beast at that level playing online.

My advice: try playing a little higher stakes, like $5 or $10 SnGs. You'll find the play better and more like you expect. And dont get discouraged if you don't cash right away. You will.

[phil coy]

iv observed and played many low stake sit n go , and man are they crazy maniacs allin with rags omg whats happening , so i abandoned them and moved on too higher stakes best thing i ever done they respect money a little more and my bankroll is much better

[Krahsami]

we will fight on the beaches, we will fight on the the shores. Quit poker are you serious. We all take beats that make our jaws drop and cant believe the person even thought of playing that in situations.

I agree with most the smaller limits have the people willing to risk thier stack with questionable hands, But go play a fake money game for an hour. 9 out of 10 people there will be worse than any person you ever met at a smaller real $ game. You'll see all ins preflop probably at least 9 outta 20 hands.

I do believe a little bit of good luck is needed, But isn't the main thing needed. Solid play and good player reads is what you need. And if luck is involved Id rather be not unlucky then lucky. see in this case your str8 would have held if you didnt get UNLUCKY.
But you did and the board paired. See being lucky is not the same though cause no one can suck out forever. Playing solid and getting in best is priceless.

Having a bad luck day can crush you no matter how well you played all day or who you are.

[Jonathank]

i hate poker too. but i hate internet explorer 8 and windows vista even more.

[ninoizbored]

Thats poker!!...its not "online poker" bad beats will happen everywhere and anywhere ..you have to get use to it... if you want to play poker... And if you were playing with in your roll... a few bad beats shouldnt bother you...

[Krahsami]

Thats poker!!...its not "online poker" bad beats will happen everywhere and anywhere ...

I played alot of hours at casinos and this is entirely true.

No matter what when you play at these lower limits you get you moneys worth.
Sure you didn't win but you did play. You didnt have to put up with An entire table full of donks playing Fake $ just to win more fake $. I don't mind paying for that.

It's entertainment and its cheap. 50$ can last a very long time at lower limits unless your a complete donkey. As we all know you cant even take you partner out for a night on the town for 50$.

[iceveins0901]

i want to just say lol but they make you put more characters.

[123bird]

i want to just say lol but they make you put more characters.

i hate poker too. but i hate internet explorer 8 and windows vista even more.

laugh out loud

[123bird]

I wrote a thread a little while ago about online play vs. live play:
Online Cash Game Play vs. Casino Play - Rakeback Poker Forum

I think online it's just so much easier for players to click "call" or 'Raise pot" verses playing live where you have to pick up your chips, count them off manually, and put them in the pot with you and the other player looking each other in the eye, and all the other players watching, and some railbirds. And who's going to make a real embarrasing donk move live when you gotta face other people right there? Online, you're just a screen name. They don't care. Because your get more calls / action online, you're going to take more bad beats online.

Also contributing is the fact that online play has really low stakes available, like micro holdem
.10 / .20, and small buy-in SnGs like .50, $1 or $3. I've played them and find the lower the stakes the more loose and bad the play. They're just there to gamble and have fun, not sit back and wait for the 'right' hand to play, like in higher stakes games where there's real money at stake. Casinos don't have $1 and $3 SnGs. The lowest where I am is $75 (65 +15). And the lowest no limit holdem is $1/$2. Casinos can't afford to have micro games, they've got all that overhead and labor to pay. I was at the casino about a month ago at the cage for tourney registration where me and some others were chating, and a player came over and asked if he could get into a $20 Sit & Go. Inside I laughed. It was obvious he was an internet player and had never played at a casino. That casino's min SnG was $120. When we told him, he walked away. I played last Friday at a $75 SnG and finished 3rd. The play was all very good. No one sucked out or made a really questionable decision.

I play just for fun too, but it's the nature of the beast at that level playing online.

My advice: try playing a little higher stakes, like $5 or $10 SnGs. You'll find the play better and more like you expect. And dont get discouraged if you don't cash right away. You will.

iv observed and played many low stake sit n go , and man are they crazy maniacs allin with rags omg whats happening , so i abandoned them and moved on too higher stakes best thing i ever done they respect money a little more and my bankroll is much better

These two reply's, were what i was looking for,
just a couple of Question's,
How much $ would you recommend i start playing $10-$15-$20 etc
What games would you recommend ie 9 person sng or 90 person sng or MTT's or ring games

[Vito_Nuccio]

These two reply's, were what i was looking for,
just a couple of Question's,
How much $ would you recommend i start playing $10-$15-$20 etc
What games would you recommend ie 9 person sng or 90 person sng or MTT's or ring games

$3 tourney, anything goes, there will be some decent play, but there will be a good number of fish. The higher up the ladder, the better the play.

As for bankroll, I have very conservative views here. I protect my online bankroll like my life depends on it. Have plenty of reserves available. If you are looking into playing $10 sit and goes I would recommend a bankroll of at least $500, more if possible. If you want to play primarily larger tourneys I would increase the reserves even more since the swings will be larger, more non pays, but chance of a bigger paydays. If you decide to play in larger denomination games, obviously a larger tank is needed to hold the fuel. I see swings of 1-200 dollars, playing $5 and $10 single table games. It is nice to still have a decent wad even after a down swing. That is due to the size of the reserves. Do not leave yourself short, once you hit bottom, there is no other way out besides utilizing the most dreaded word in poker, "Rebuy".

Many players play for free due to good bankroll management. Good or bad play, you will have days when you lose. If you play a decent game and have a disciplined bankroll stragety regardless of being currently up or down you will survive much longer in the poker grinder.

Later,

[MikeyInc]

Sounds Like Full Tilt Poker!

[123bird]

$3 tourney, anything goes, there will be some decent play, but there will be a good number of fish. The higher up the ladder, the better the play.

As for bankroll, I have very conservative views here. I protect my online bankroll like my life depends on it. Have plenty of reserves available. If you are looking into playing $10 sit and goes I would recommend a bankroll of at least $500, more if possible. If you want to play primarily larger tourneys I would increase the reserves even more since the swings will be larger, more non pays, but chance of a bigger paydays. If you decide to play in larger denomination games, obviously a larger tank is needed to hold the fuel. I see swings of 1-200 dollars, playing $5 and $10 single table games. It is nice to still have a decent wad even after a down swing. That is due to the size of the reserves. Do not leave yourself short, once you hit bottom, there is no other way out besides utilizing the most dreaded word in poker, "Rebuy".

Many players play for free due to good bankroll management. Good or bad play, you will have days when you lose. If you play a decent game and have a disciplined bankroll stragety regardless of being currently up or down you will survive much longer in the poker grinder.

Later,

thanks for the advice,its much appreciated

[BUILDMO]

You won't win every game you play.
Good cards come in streaks, so play the hands when you get them.
Know when to bluff, and know when to fold when raised.
You won't win every game you play.
AA is all in - (don't like the suck out)
Play tight and agressive. Suprise the opponent
Ensure bankroll longevity by playing the 5% rule (thank you jesus)
You won't win every game you play.
Suck out occassionally but not often.
Luck will prevail sometimes.
Aggressive play may win big, but may get you in trouble.
Play the nutz, and extract the money silently
You won't win every game you play.

Is poker rigged? Sure is, cause I can see your cards!