Pocket Kings, are they foldable?

[Esqueleto]

Should you EVER lay those down preflop?

[Wyte22]

only if you are 100% sure the person that re-raised you, has AA. Thru a tell, play style, however, but you better be 100% sure, cuz KK .v. AK is still better than 70% to win

[HeyKidMove]

I would say to never fold KK in a cash game. If the right circumstance came about, you could justify folding them in a tournament.

[liladypokerpro]

Only if it's a freeroll with 7 people shoving all in ahead of you LOL You know someone's bound to suck out in that case, and I would venture to guess at least one of them would have ace rag.

[DeadBabySoup]

Only if it's a freeroll with 7 people shoving all in ahead of you LOL You know someone's bound to suck out in that case, and I would venture to guess at least one of them would have ace rag.

i'd take my chances in a freeroll. because really, who cares? the only time i've folded kk pre-flop was on the bubble. i raised 3 times the big blind and was re-raised all in from a guy who'd played 3 hands in the past hour. i folded and he showed aces. but i've called aces with kings many more times than that.

[liladypokerpro]

It's the thought process of "who cares" which makes freerolls so unbearable to play. Too many people think that way and don't treat it as a "real" tournament. (no offense intended, of course)

[braveboat27]

Really hard to fold Kings pre-flop. Even if facing AA, you have five chances to pull another King out of the deck, and the odds that you are, in fact, facing AA, is relatively small.

[travz21]

I always fold KK when I get reraised because I know they have AA.

[Esqueleto]

Fold every tiome you are reraised, hard to believe.

[DeadBabySoup]

It's the thought process of "who cares" which makes freerolls so unbearable to play. Too many people think that way and don't treat it as a "real" tournament. (no offense intended, of course)

there are two kinds of "who cares." there's "i have 3,7 off. if i don't suck out, who cares?" then there's "i know i have the best hand. if some donk sucks out, who cares?" if the entire table pushes all in pre-flop and i have kk, i'm still going to call. because i still have the best chance to win. if my hand holds up, i can sit out and make the money. if not, at least it didn't cost me anything.

that said, i don't play many freerolls. i played the hubbles on poker stars as a challenge to build a bankroll out of nothing. i won a few of those. then won cash in the second round. then built that up to about $100 in sit and goes. but that was just to see if i could do it. otherwise, the quality of play is so bad they're not worth the time.

[C8H10N4O2]

I'd say... not 99% of the time. I was in a free roll once and faced this situation almost exactly. I folded my KK very late in the trournament to literally 5 all ins after my initial raise. Confused and seeing that there was a significant jump in money very soon, I elected to fold. No one even had an A... and I would have hit quads. That one stung for so long. Winning that pot would have made me the chip leader and I would have been set up for a very nice final table play. Instead I was left essentially going blind broke in 13th place and only pocketed $56. If I had busted out where I decided to fold KK, I would have gotten $15-$20 something. No one at the final table left with less than $120. I honestly folded thinking that late in the tourney with that many all ins, someone had to have AA, but the best hand was 77, followed by QJ.

There are rare occasions that folding KK is the right move, but most of those for me would be based on live play reads, and I'd have to be 100% sure, or 90% sure with some major fold equity.

[C8H10N4O2]

I always fold KK when I get reraised because I know they have AA.

Let's play

[travz21]

Fold every tiome you are reraised, hard to believe.

K, maybe I exaggerated by 99%

I'm not counting satellites, however, since those are totally different circumstances. If you're big stacked and approaching the money, you fold every single hand, even AA. There's no incentive to play when you're already a lock for the prize, so playing any hand will only give you a chance to get knocked out.

Satellites aside, folding KK is a very unprofitable move in cash games. The case may change, say if you're deep stacked cashing it and you have a battle of multiple raises and reraises with multiple opponents. In that scenario, you can get away from KK without risking 200+ bb's when you're pretty unsure of where you stand.

I don't feel like getting into MTT strategy right now haha. I'll save KK for some other time maybe.

[Esqueleto]

KK only foldable late in a tourney when you are close to the money and you are reraised.

[Wyte22]

KK only foldable late in a tourney when you are close to the money and you are reraised.

meh, even then, I won't fold KK, my objective is to win (or get in the top 3) not just merely cash it! but if your short on chips and looking to just cash and not win it, fold everything including AA. If you have a good size stack, and you wanna win, all in to the re-raise is the only play (this is assuming you don't have any tells to indiciate that the re-raiser has AA instead of hands like AKs, QQ-TT). you flat call the re-raise in late stages, you can potentially leave alot of money on the table if the board comes out scary for either you or your opp. If it was good enough to re-raise you, it is good enough to call an all in unless it was a bluff!

[Fictive]

Cash games, I always try to get all my chips in preflop. There have been times that I've thought to myself, he has aces, can't be anything else... and I still won't fold.

[EliminateU]

KK suited, never fold. unsuited maybe.

[Esqueleto]

Never fold pocket kings and hope you don't come across AA.

If you do then oh well, but get your money in the middle as soon as possible.

[v3nom85]

i play this hand every time i have the chance , i never fold KK preflop...until now i was right every time , and won the pot ...
good luck

[frob23]

I recently folded KK pre-flop. It may have been the wrong thing but I just couldn't call. Not for 128xBB pre-flop.

I was UTG and raised 3xBB, another player called and then a third player made it 10xBB.

So I am now putting him on a hand. He's not one of the complete fish at the table. So he's got a real hand to raise me here. But I beat a lot of real hands.

It folds to me and I make it 33xBB, the player between us folds and he moves all-in instantly for 128xBB.

165.5xBB and I had to call 95xBB. I was getting about 1.7-1 in pot odds.

The thing is, I don't believe he's doing this with QQ. And I highly doubt he's doing it with AK. That leaves only KK or AA (he's much more likely to have AA).

Now, I could be wrong. And I have been running really badly at $10NL (which is where this happened) which might have made me stick to a more conservative side. I hated the fold but I made it anyway.


There's a reason I made it. It's very rare to see 3-bets or 4-bets on these tables pre-flop. And the 4-betting all-in range of most of these players is highly weighted towards AA. I doubt most of them would do it with KK (they should but I doubt they would). I know they also love to get all-in pre-flop with AA and only AA when that deep.

It's just about the only thing that made sense. Had he had $4, it would have been an easy call. Had I been short, it would also have been an easy call. But I had him covered and couldn't play that deep with my Ks preflop.