What am I doing wrong here?

[iambl_e]

This guy has been playing aweful tonight and figured I would bet my top pair top kicker with him:

Stage #1299281193: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2009-03-07 00:58:00 (ET)
Table: PORT ST LUCIE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - SKINNYMO ($37.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - MILHOUSE7 ($126.30 in chips)
Seat 4 - PHATBEN ($167.30 in chips)
Seat 5 - RIVERQUEEN32 ($259.20 in chips)
Seat 6 - DOCTOR DUDDY ($156.35 in chips)
Seat 7 - IAMBL_E ($90.75 in chips)
Seat 8 - NJN1074 ($189.15 in chips)
Seat 9 - SHAKEBAKE12 ($60 in chips)
MILHOUSE7 - Posts small blind $0.50
PHATBEN - Posts big blind $1
SHAKEBAKE12 - Posts $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to IAMBL_E [Ac Qc]
RIVERQUEEN32 - Folds
DOCTOR DUDDY - Calls $1
IAMBL_E - Raises $3 to $3
NJN1074 - Folds
SHAKEBAKE12 - Calls $2
SKINNYMO - Calls $3
MILHOUSE7 - Folds
PHATBEN - Folds
DOCTOR DUDDY - Calls $2
*** FLOP *** [3c 8s Qd]
DOCTOR DUDDY - Checks
IAMBL_E - Bets $6
SHAKEBAKE12 - Calls $6
SKINNYMO - Folds
DOCTOR DUDDY - Folds
*** TURN *** [3c 8s Qd] [4s]
IAMBL_E - Checks
SHAKEBAKE12 - Bets $12
IAMBL_E - Calls $12
*** RIVER *** [3c 8s Qd 4s] [Jh]
IAMBL_E - Bets $39
SHAKEBAKE12 - All-In $39
*** SHOW DOWN ***
IAMBL_E - Shows [Ac Qc] (One pair, queens)
SHAKEBAKE12 - Shows [3h Qh] (Two Pair, queens and threes)
SHAKEBAKE12 Collects $124 from main pot

ANNNNND THIS ONE:

Stage #1298320087: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-03-06 15:40:59 (ET)
Table: ALYESKA AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - SPEWGO_9 ($58.95 in chips)
Seat 6 - STRIKETIGER ($41.45 in chips)
Seat 7 - GUV-NA ($50 in chips)
Seat 8 - IAMBL_E ($44.45 in chips)
Seat 9 - DAVE541 ($55.98 in chips)
Seat 1 - TH3 SIZZLE ($74.25 in chips)
Seat 2 - ANTEUP66 ($57.82 in chips)
Seat 3 - MCSTACKIN ($86.75 in chips)
Seat 4 - DAVNL ($55.70 in chips)
STRIKETIGER - Posts small blind $0.25
GUV-NA - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to IAMBL_E [4c 4h]
IAMBL_E - Calls $0.50
DAVE541 - Folds
TH3 SIZZLE - Folds
ANTEUP66 - Calls $0.50
MCSTACKIN - Folds
DAVNL - Folds
SPEWGO_9 - Calls $0.50
STRIKETIGER - Calls $0.25
GUV-NA - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4d 8c Jd]
STRIKETIGER - Bets $2.50
GUV-NA - Raises $10 to $10
IAMBL_E - All-In(Raise) $43.95 to $43.95
ANTEUP66 - Folds
SPEWGO_9 - Folds
STRIKETIGER - Folds
GUV-NA - Calls $33.95
*** TURN *** [4d 8c Jd] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [4d 8c Jd 2s] [10d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GUV-NA - Shows [9d Qd] (Flush, queen high)
IAMBL_E - Shows [4c 4h] (Three of a kind, fours)
GUV-NA Collects $89.40 from main pot

[Silent_Ac3s]

Hmm.. Since Shakeback or whatever had already posted and there was a limper, I would have raised up extra hoping to get them off their weak starting hands. That way you could be taking down 3.5 BBs on the pot right there, and if one of them calls you should be able to profit off of it in the long run, and it should narrow down other players from seeing a cheap flop.

Your raise allowed four players to see the flop with decent odds. From my experience, TPTK doesn't win huge pots very often when 4 players get to see the flop, even on a board that dry. Anyone (even the terrible player) could easily outflop with starting hands like pocket 3s, 8s, or Q8s which all have you dominated...

Basically, bump that up more pre, so that your tptk is still likely to be strong against 1-2 opponents. Always think twice in multi-way pots!

just my opinion

Oh and on the second one, dang, that is a tough spot. I don't think you can fold your 4s on that flop, and you don't want to give any free cards towards a draw.. So I like how you played it, especially since you have full house outs. You got all your money in with a 67% chance to win the hand on the flop, so just a little unlucky.

[iambl_e]

Hey, thanks for the reply. Ill put your advice to good use. Here's another one...i swear it never ends.....I played this aweful, but how can you not call the all in on the river. I knew he had it too and still made the call..

Stage #1296155371: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-03-05 11:16:48 (ET)
Table: URBANA (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - RWXIANG ($22 in chips)
Seat 2 - XLEGIONARIOX ($60.98 in chips)
Seat 3 - GEOFF132 ($24.09 in chips)
Seat 4 - IAMBL_E ($45.15 in chips)
Seat 5 - CHANZE008 ($46.50 in chips)
Seat 6 - TOMMISC ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 7 - GIVEIT2MEYEA ($46.45 in chips)
Seat 8 - JOHNNYRAY ($26.90 in chips)
Seat 9 - FURIMUSIK ($57.09 in chips)
XLEGIONARIOX - Posts small blind $0.25
GEOFF132 - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to IAMBL_E [Ac Qd]
IAMBL_E - Raises $1.50 to $1.50
CHANZE008 - Folds
TOMMISC - Folds
GIVEIT2MEYEA - Calls $1.50
JOHNNYRAY - Folds
FURIMUSIK - Folds
RWXIANG - Folds
XLEGIONARIOX - Folds
GEOFF132 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh Qc Js]
IAMBL_E - Checks
GIVEIT2MEYEA - Checks
*** TURN *** [Qh Qc Js] [2d]
IAMBL_E - Bets $1.50
GIVEIT2MEYEA - Calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** [Qh Qc Js 2d] [2s]
IAMBL_E - Bets $3
GIVEIT2MEYEA - All-In(Raise) $43.45 to $43.45
IAMBL_E - All-In $39.15
GIVEIT2MEYEA - returned ($1.30) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GIVEIT2MEYEA - Shows [2c 2h] (Four of a kind, twos)
IAMBL_E - Mucks
GIVEIT2MEYEA Collects $87.55 from main pot

[Brooklynbum]

To the original OP. There are a lot of variables involved in each hand so to say that there is a definitive way of playing a certain hand against certain players is difficult.

But here's my 2 cents worth:

The first hand - You need to raise PF more against very loose players. In this case you are in position with a pretty good starting hand...so you must raise more than the standard 3x the BB. Against loose calling stations you have to punish them for playing poor hands PF. In this case the villain was in the BB. Now in my experience some players will always defend their blinds (especially if they have suited cards...as in this case).

Villain checks, you bet $6 on the flop and get a flat call. There's no draws out there so you have to think that he's hit the board somehow.The villain checks the turn and you toss a bet of $12 and get another flat call. Now you should be suspicious. On the river he shoves. That's a insta-fold in my opinion, the only thing you're going to beat most likely is a bluff. That's when you have to have a good profile of the villain in order to call this bet. But it all started PF on this hand IMO.

The 2nd hand. Standard shove by a player with a flush draw. You're going to get those types of players in all levels and stakes. You had a powerful hand so chalk it up to variance and move on.

The 3rd hand. Another cooler type of hand. There's two hands that beat you - QJ & 22. The thing that I find weird is that you said that you "knew he had it" yet you called it anyway. If you knew he had quads, then you have to fold, plain and simple (although this would be a great fold). This is another cooler. Basically nothing you can do about this hand.

One last thing, I noticed that you're more likely to raise with AQ rather than a small PP (such as 44). I'm not sure why you do this b/c in my opinion you get into trouble much more with AQ than 44. You should mix it up. If you're constantly limping with small PP then that's a major leak in your game.

Another leak in your game seems to be that you can't fold TPTK, this is another big leak. You have to learn to fold TPTK in certain situations if you think you're beat.

[phaul]

Just need to say your bet sizing is pretty awful. You definitely need to do some reading on this. 3x pre is for tourneys, there are a lot more implied odds in cash as stacks are deeper, so you need to make it more. A standard rule is 4BB + 1BB for every limper before you.

So in hand 1, make it $5. As played, bet more on flop, s/th like $9. Lead turn! Why are you check/calling? I think if you c/c turn you give yourself a really difficult river spot and then just have to own his soul as villain can either see it as weakness (which it is) and bluff hardcore, or can value bet. Whether you call really depends on villain's tendencies. Having said that, I would generally be more inclined to fold here. Lead turn for added value, plus it makes your life easier and you can fold to further resistance unless he's a really spewy lagtard. IMO.

Hand 2, just fold pre unless there are a ton of limped pots on this table. If people are aggro pre you will lose a lot doing this. As played, flop is standard, w/e. It's not really that bad a beat, he has 33%, a bad call by villain, but this is how you make money.

Hand 3; ZOMG lead flop 100%! You cbet partially to balance your range for when you lead out on flops like this, as you hardly ever hit so he'll prob call you with any pair. You're also possibly missing out on 3 streets of value when he has a good J and unless you build the pot you're missing out on tons of value from weak-ish Qs. Build the fucking pot! Lead the flop and bet bigger. Your turn bet is too small. I'm not quite sure what your obsession with betting half pot is, but your timidness has meant that you've gotten to river with a $6 pot. This hand was played very poorly by both of you. Also not sure how you can know he had quads when he ships Qs almost every time. Also again, make it more pre.

[phaul]

Brooklyn: Hand 1, OP was OOP vs. Shake
Hand 2, villain didn't shove, he called. He also had a gutshot, not just a bare fd.

If you knew he had quads, then you have to fold, plain and simple (although this would be a great fold).

No, this would be one of the worst folds ever. You can NEVER fold this hand online and only in very rare cases live.

Just some notes, not having a pop. I agree with most of your post.

[bossmanisme]

as already said, your bet sizing could use some work. raise more pre in the first hand (about 5.50) etc. but all of these hands really aren't worth being posted, especially the last two. they're just bad beats, especially the quads one. i'm never folding any of the three hands. even the first one, if he can have Q3 then he can have any other Q that doesn't 2 pair.

[highbet]

only can say:
stop playing allin against these kind of players