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    Okay, do I push my remaining chips, or fold......

    Table: BRISTOL AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 2 - XLEGIONARIOX ($71.73 in chips)
    Seat 3 - BUDYBOY1111 ($20.15 in chips)
    Seat 4 - DSZONE ($50 in chips)
    Seat 5 - PRINCE SHEBA ($49.70 in chips)
    Seat 6 - TMONEY222 ($23.86 in chips)
    Seat 8 - IAMBL_E ($47.50 in chips)
    Seat 9 - ILOVEDAWN12 ($116.63 in chips)
    Seat 1 - OH_YEAHHH ($19.45 in chips)
    BUDYBOY1111 - Posts small blind $0.25
    DSZONE - Posts big blind $0.50
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to IAMBL_E [9s 9h]
    PRINCE SHEBA - Folds
    TMONEY222 - Folds
    IAMBL_E - Raises $2 to $2
    ILOVEDAWN12 - Calls $2
    OH_YEAHHH - Folds
    XLEGIONARIOX - Folds
    BUDYBOY1111 - Folds
    DSZONE - Folds
    *** FLOP *** [8s 9c 7h]
    IAMBL_E - Bets $2
    ILOVEDAWN12 - Raises $4 to $4
    IAMBL_E - Raises $6 to $8
    ILOVEDAWN12 - Raises $20 to $24

    Same here:


    able: LIBERTY DR (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
    Seat 3 - WILKESBOOTH ($25.02 in chips)
    Seat 4 - IAMBL_E ($32.09 in chips)
    Seat 5 - SHARKEY99 ($5.46 in chips)
    Seat 7 - PICA-FUMO ($15.38 in chips)
    Seat 8 - VICKI19 ($74.07 in chips)
    Seat 9 - SEAHAWK14760 ($22.47 in chips)
    Seat 2 - MEDARD ($22.72 in chips)
    IAMBL_E - Posts small blind $0.10
    SHARKEY99 - Posts big blind $0.25
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to IAMBL_E [3d 2d]
    PICA-FUMO - Calls $0.25
    VICKI19 - Folds
    SEAHAWK14760 - Folds
    MEDARD - Folds
    WILKESBOOTH - Folds
    IAMBL_E - Calls $0.15
    SHARKEY99 - Checks
    *** FLOP *** [Ad 5s Qc]
    IAMBL_E - Checks
    SHARKEY99 - Checks
    PICA-FUMO - Checks
    *** TURN *** [Ad 5s Qc] [4h]
    IAMBL_E - Checks
    SHARKEY99 - Checks
    PICA-FUMO - Bets $0.75
    IAMBL_E - Calls $0.75
    SHARKEY99 - Folds
    *** RIVER *** [Ad 5s Qc 4h] [As]
    IAMBL_E - Bets $4
    PICA-FUMO - Raises $14.25 to $14.25

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    Hand #1: You are being re-raised here with either a straight, or an A 10, or an over pair. Either way, their should have only been three bets max on this street if you want to try and hit a set by comtroling the pot. But by betting the way you did, you know you are being re-raised with someone who either has a better hand than yours (the straight), or thinks they have a better hand than yours (two pair, lower set, or an over pair). Either way, since I do not have that good of a read on him, I would try to control the pot, keep it small and see if I can turn my top set into a boat, or quads, or see if any straight cards come off.

    Hand #2: I do not put him on a boat here, so I think you are safe. I would be putting all my chips in the middle thinking he had two pair, or trips. I can see him for A Q, but again, since I do not have a good read on him, I am going with my straight.
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    Hand 1: Bet flop bigger, as played RAISE FLOP MORE, as played, ship it in. He has a ton of hands like TT/AT or smaller sets, plus you still have good equity even if he has a straight. Raise bigger and don't make this spot in the first place.

    Hand 2: Fold pre, as played RAISE TURN, as played, ship it in. You CANNOT put him on a boat here and fold, that would be ridiculously nitty and bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer4life27 View Post
    Either way, since I do not have that good of a read on him, I would try to control the pot, keep it small and see if I can turn my top set into a boat, or quads, or see if any straight cards come off.
    This is really bad, you have the best hand over 90% of the time, you want to get as much money in there as you can ASAP, especially as there are sooooo many not-nice turn cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phaul View Post
    This is really bad, you have the best hand over 90% of the time, you want to get as much money in there as you can ASAP, especially as there are sooooo many not-nice turn cards.
    I like to play small ball. And for him to re-raise me just tells me that I am either beat, or he has a hand with re-draws. Yes, you may want to bet and get as much as you can out of him, but also (from my point of view) you want to keep the pot small because what if you are betting big and on the turn comes a straight card? Or anything else that might be a scare card (I don't know what, but who knows). I just think that I would either shove or play small ball, not try to create a bigger pot (except for the shove, but even then I am only doing it to push him off of his drawing hand).
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    Thank you guys for your response. The first hand, I pushed and he turned over 6, 10 of hearts for the straight. The second hand, I pushed and he turned over pockets 4's for a boat. I think these are just bad beats but am I letting this happen?

    How much are you talking about raising preflop with pocket 9's? I think 4x BB is a substantial raise preflop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iambl_e View Post
    Thank you guys for your response. The first hand, I pushed and he turned over 6, 10 of hearts for the straight. The second hand, I pushed and he turned over pockets 4's for a boat. I think these are just bad beats but am I letting this happen?

    How much are you talking about raising preflop with pocket 9's? I think 4x BB is a substantial raise preflop.
    On the first hand you have to get it in, you're going to be way ahead of most of his range. Above said to bet more on the flop, not preflop. I really don't like your min bet on the flop. As for the second hand, you should be raising the turn, you let that one happen. But the first one is just a cooler, you have to get it in there.

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    hand 1, you ran into a straight. fold.

    hand 2, i would have shoved after the turn. but you're probably still good.

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    #1 I'm making a pot-sized bet post flop, and likely folding on the raise.

    #2 I'm calling the raise.

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    small ball probably doesn't work too well at micro stakes, people love to chase draws and you have to punish them for this.

    1st hand bet more on flop, and stop f**king around with these little 3bets of a raise, make a proper raise. you got coolered on this hand, don't think you are getting away from this without some amazing note on villain like that he only minraises a bet with a made hand.

    2nd hand raise turn, and you probably get it all in then and there so avoid the tough decision on river.

    just because in the first hand the guy happened to have a straight, don't let this scare you in the future. don't think whenever someone raises your cont. bet when you have a monster you must be in trouble. don't play scared, basically.

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    Wow, this is it possible to play this bad/weak-tight and still make money? When you hit the nuts try and ship it some

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    1st Hand Tough Luck. I think there is no way you're going to put the villain on 10/6 most of the time. So you got a cooler, it happens. Keep playing aggressively with those pairs and hope that the villain keeps calling you with junk.

    The 2nd hand is a little tricky. You're both trying to trap. The villain let you get your straight and he/she is probably oblivious to the fact that you might have hit the straight on the turn. Now that massive re-raise on the river, should tell you that he's hit something big (especially with a paired board). If you're really observant, I think you could probably fold your hand (reluctantly of course because it always sucks to fold a straight) but otherwise you can just call and see the showdown. I wouldn't push in that situation because you're only going to get called by a better hand so re-raising isn't worth it in that spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpkr View Post
    Wow, this is it possible to play this bad/weak-tight and still make money? When you hit the nuts try and ship it some
    Yaya, this.

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