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  1. #1
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    Default Need advice with the ladies

    I really don´t know how to play QQ PF. I know it deserves a raise and a 3bet if there was a raise in front of me, but what if I got reraised? It happens many times while I´m playing NL25 and i don´t know how to deal with it. Of course, if I´m against a loose/maniac I´ll shove right away, but what do you do against those typical / standard players so common in this limit? Suppose the following situation: you are UTG with QQ, average player raises pot, you 3bet, average shoves or puts on a big raise.
    I could really use some advice from more skilled players here.

    Thanx!

    Sry for the spelling errors

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    first off, if you are UTG, you can't 3bet. UTG with QQ at 25nl, i'd do this, assumming standard conditions. Raise 3.5x, if someone 3bets you, you have to think. This is the annoying part. In my last 150,000 hands, i've only had this situation come up 11 times, I only saw KK once, and never AA. In all positions, i've had this occur 73 times, and i'm only profiting 1.78BB/hand. This goes to show you have much getting 3bet sucks. I don't think it would be bad to fold against tight players, and flat against tight players 3betting from the blinds, that way you have position. It's really hard to flat oop. If the flop comes with a J, K, or A, you're screwed cause the guy hits AK, AA, KK, and JJ, which is a huge part of his 3betting range, if not all of it. And even if he 3bet you with 68s and an A, K, or J comes out, you will get owned. Now, if the guy 3bets a lot, 4bet and get it in, you don't want to let him see a flop with position. If he 3bets a ton and he is in the blinds, you may want to trap him. But this is only if the guy 3bets a ton and like to fire barrels, of course those kinds of players don't really exist at 25nl, so most likely someone like that is donkish enough to maybe shove over a small 4bet as a bluff. Hope that helps, the moral of the story is getting 3bet sucks, so, you should do it a lot with position and punish other people.

    Note: By tight, i mean like 3betting 2-3%. Against this range (AK, AQs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ) QQ has 48% equity, but position kills that a lot more, and 4 betting folds out the worse hands but calls with AA, KK, QQ and AK sometimes depending on the player. Furthermore, if you are really deep, like 150X you can call because you start getting good set equity.

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    It's simple. Don't overplay them, and don't underplay them.
    Think for yourself. Question authority.

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    Lol, that's the absolute perfect advice travz21

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    darn, i put so much work into mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreaseStain View Post
    first off, if you are UTG, you can't 3bet. UTG with QQ at 25nl, i'd do this, assumming standard conditions. Raise 3.5x, if someone 3bets you, you have to think. This is the annoying part. In my last 150,000 hands, i've only had this situation come up 11 times, I only saw KK once, and never AA. In all positions, i've had this occur 73 times, and i'm only profiting 1.78BB/hand. This goes to show you have much getting 3bet sucks. I don't think it would be bad to fold against tight players, and flat against tight players 3betting from the blinds, that way you have position. It's really hard to flat oop. If the flop comes with a J, K, or A, you're screwed cause the guy hits AK, AA, KK, and JJ, which is a huge part of his 3betting range, if not all of it. And even if he 3bet you with 68s and an A, K, or J comes out, you will get owned. Now, if the guy 3bets a lot, 4bet and get it in, you don't want to let him see a flop with position. If he 3bets a ton and he is in the blinds, you may want to trap him. But this is only if the guy 3bets a ton and like to fire barrels, of course those kinds of players don't really exist at 25nl, so most likely someone like that is donkish enough to maybe shove over a small 4bet as a bluff. Hope that helps, the moral of the story is getting 3bet sucks, so, you should do it a lot with position and punish other people.

    Note: By tight, i mean like 3betting 2-3%. Against this range (AK, AQs, AA, KK, QQ, JJ) QQ has 48% equity, but position kills that a lot more, and 4 betting folds out the worse hands but calls with AA, KK, QQ and AK sometimes depending on the player. Furthermore, if you are really deep, like 150X you can call because you start getting good set equity.
    Tnx a lot, it really changed the way I saw 3betting QQ. Guess i´ll be a little more careful in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travz21 View Post
    It's simple. Don't overplay them, and don't underplay them.
    I´ll follow this too

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