Just someone who's living off of gambling earnings. So I guess you could technically win one night and use it to buy a cheeseburger and it would kind of make you a pro gambler for that meal.
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Just someone who's living off of gambling earnings. So I guess you could technically win one night and use it to buy a cheeseburger and it would kind of make you a pro gambler for that meal.
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I would define a professional gambler as someone who makes the majority of their income from gambling.
Therefore winning enough money for a cheeseburger could classify you as a winning gambler for that night but not a professional gambler
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No time constraints or anything else?Originally Posted by purplechip1
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Didn't mean it that way...
Anyway, this is a "definition debate" and I don't see what's there to gain by continuing.
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Of course establishing definitions are not important. Especially when the debate is about a vague term. Also, when it's a fun conversation we should just end the discussion too.
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I don't think we could've milked purplechip any more than that haha.
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Meh, I still figure he'll at least try to clarify a little bit more.
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i suppose its not possible to have a time constraint.
So yes if someone went to the casino and won enough money for a cheeseburger they could claim that they are a professional gambler provided they do not already have an income which is more than the amount of the cheeseburger. This would also mean that that person would have to win more money than they brought to the casino. ie. cheeseburger costs $5 person must have won that $5 with an amount<5.
Poker is a microcosm of all we admire and disdain about capitalism and democracy. Poker can be rough-hewn or polished, warm or cold, charitable and caring, or hard and impersonal, fickle and elusive, but ultimately poker is fair, and right, and just.
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actually, i think I have it.
To be a professional gambler one must:
A. Derive the majority of their income from gambling.
B. Have won more money from gambling then they have lost from gambling in their lifetime.
C. Have won more money than they were willing to gamble with in the first place.
Poker is a microcosm of all we admire and disdain about capitalism and democracy. Poker can be rough-hewn or polished, warm or cold, charitable and caring, or hard and impersonal, fickle and elusive, but ultimately poker is fair, and right, and just.
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I enjoy thinking and working things out.
Poker is a microcosm of all we admire and disdain about capitalism and democracy. Poker can be rough-hewn or polished, warm or cold, charitable and caring, or hard and impersonal, fickle and elusive, but ultimately poker is fair, and right, and just.
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I like this.
The only people that I do not like this definition for are one shot wonders so to speak. As in people who win millions from a $1 lottery ticket. I'm not sure exactly how to eliminate this subset of people from the group that the above definition includes, but it's definitely almost complete imo. I just don't feel comfortable saying that someone who bought a $1 lottery ticket then proceeded to win over $100 million is a professional gambler. Even if they purchase a ticket weekly... I don't know though. I guess that's my hang up on the whole professional gambler situation.
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I see it as someone who actually has an edge in the game they're playing, and wins in the long term. That's why I don't think it's possible for really anyone to be a pro gambler.
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In effect all professional gamblers (except ones who actually play with the odds on their side, card counters, etc) are one hit wonders. To be a professional gambler you must have luck on your side.
Poker is a microcosm of all we admire and disdain about capitalism and democracy. Poker can be rough-hewn or polished, warm or cold, charitable and caring, or hard and impersonal, fickle and elusive, but ultimately poker is fair, and right, and just.
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So a person who has an edge and loses in the long run (it is possible) isn't a pro gambler. So whether or not the person wins or not is dependant on luck? So whether or not the person is a pro gambler or not depends on luck?
Poker is a microcosm of all we admire and disdain about capitalism and democracy. Poker can be rough-hewn or polished, warm or cold, charitable and caring, or hard and impersonal, fickle and elusive, but ultimately poker is fair, and right, and just.
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Solid card counting blackjack players that flys under the radar, top gin players, top poker players or those who has the mentality for a steady win rate. Perhaps those who are top chess players who gamble to any challenger, kind of more common in HK parks by elderly folks interested in such matter.
Perhaps those who truely know the horse industry could make money from the bookies.
However, making money where the house has advantage is pure dumb luck, nothing professional about it, no skills. Nothing professional about risking big money for small wins.
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Huh? How are "luck" and "long run" used together in the same sentence? If you have an edge you can't lose in the long run unless you do something that takes away your edge (tilt, poor bankroll management, drugs and alcohol, etc). You can't get lucky or unlucky in the long run. The longer the run, the less luck involved.
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Anyone can get a comp meal playing Poker or Slots.
I happen to make money each week playing penny slots than online poker how much about 100-200 weekly so it helps with the bills.
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i would rather play blackjack at casino
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