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    Default PL Omaha H/L 4-max sticky situation.

    Ok, so I got myself into a sticky situation at the final table of this PL Omaha H/L 4-max tourney on PS. It was $4.04 + $0.40 to enter. About 320 people entered. I am guaranteed $97 and first gets $215. Here is the hand:

    http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/452861

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    With no low hand and only a decent hi hand out of position, I'd say it's tough to do anything but fold here. You're just going to be put in an incredibly awkward spot when the flop hits if you just flat call, and I'm not sure pushing here is a good play at all. Picking off the smaller stacks or waiting for them to tangle with other players would be a more comfortable spot to be in.
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    If you go to that site and vote, then you can see what I did. If not, then I post the hand history here up until that spot and then I will post what I did.
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    That's a snap fold imo. You have no chance at a low, and you're out of position.

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    Here is the hand History:

    PokerStars Game #27539565329: Tournament #157111336, $4.04+$0.40 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XXIV (6000/12000) - 2009/04/27 2:40:06 ET
    Table '157111336 14' 4-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: ssoul (118182 in chips)
    Seat 2: v--zy1983 (121582 in chips)
    Seat 3: Hero (462668 in chips)
    Seat 4: gagik55555 (257568 in chips)
    ssoul: posts small blind 6000
    v--zy1983: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Qh Kc Kh 7c]
    Hero: raises 30000 to 42000
    gagik55555: raises 102000 to 144000
    ssoul: folds
    v--zy1983: folds
    Hero: ???
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    i agree that it is a fold but i am ok with what you did given you had raised and he reraised. it is pretty close as to which is right. i agree that at this stage you need to be very aggressive but your particular hand isnt one to do it with. i would have folded it preflop instead of opening with it unless the table was particularly tight.

    given your situation here is some math.

    It is about 54% against a random hand.
    about 48% against any four low cards
    about 44% against any hand containing and ace and a wheel card
    it is about 45% against a random hand containing an ace
    about 29% against aces.

    i think calling at this point is not an option. given he reraised you i think you can put him on one of the four hands i posted math for, each with some probability.(leaving out the completely random hand)

    shoving means you pay 215k to win 532k. from a strictly pot odds stand point u need to be a little over 40% to shove. its tuff to determine if u are getting this. with him being the second stack he could be playing to win or to move up a spot in the money. if he was playing the first style then you are prolly getting right pot odds. if he is playing the latter than u are not getting the right odds as he would be reraising there with AA.

    however here more than just pot odds comes into play as winning the pot greatly increases you probabilty of winning the tournament but loosing the pot u still have a good chance of first or second

    after typing all this i like the shove as to folding. but i still think u should have folded instead of open raising.

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