me or the site?

[baggeddakota]

Is it my play or just the site's so called "favor"
Ive seen more and more now that i hardly make it to final table when i used to 80-90% of the time. Ive also noticed now that EVERY time i fold marginal to complete trash pockets. Ill hit anywhere from a set to a fullhouse. but when i play class 1 and 2 hands. the board will come up useless and i have no choice but to get sucked out or blinded out of the tourneys...

once in a while ill even try to get in on a flop with the junk hands to see if its me being to tight...nope.. missed the flop.

any advice maybe? or is it time to call it quits on FT and move to another site?

[don. scoobie]

poker can seem like a very cruel game at times. just rem that bad runs even happen to great players , tomorrows another day and could be the start of a winning streak. in the long run if u play well u will win............... hopefully.

[C4R15]

Had the same problem, went for ages playing only premium hands and losing to absolute trash hands. Plus all the trash hands i folded would more often than not hit a set or two pair, which would then fill out to a full house. At the micro stakes that i play this is a very common problem, but i just put it down to more people will call with anything for a few cents. But playing solid poker means even with these players i still end up up over a period of time. Just glad i'm a recreational player or else it would send me on tilt.

[HeyKidMove]

It's you. You were probably running really hot before, now you're not, it's called variance.

[travz21]

FT'ing 80-90% of the time??!?!?!?!?!!!?!??!!?!?! You're just some fish who ran hot and is now being put in their place. Learn to get better so there will be less of these threads around.

Why can't we EVER have solid threads about poker theory? I swear there are only a couple really good players on this forum, that's why.

[C8H10N4O2]

^Agreed. Hating reading thread after thread of garbage lately.
"I refuse to play at X site because it's rigged... they want to create bigger pots to create more rake... they reward bad play to keep the bad players around... etc"
"Why am I losing now when I was winning so much before..."
"Check out this bad beat, my AA got cracked by KK all in pre-flop"
"I need the password for the freeroll"
"Why do I not have my rakeback yet?!"
"I only play live because online poker is rigged"
etc.

[C4R15]

Couldn't agree more with you dew12109. If the people who moan spent as much time on there game they would improve and we'd have no more of this rubbish to read because they'd all think online poker sites were fair.

[thegrizz1111]

Is it my play or just the site's so called "favor"
Ive seen more and more now that i hardly make it to final table when i used to 80-90% of the time.

maybe before you were playing 10 and 11 player tournaments and now you are playing tournaments with larger fields.

I would suggest looking for more 10 player tournaments. or better yet maybe try some 9 player sit and go. then you can final table 100% of the time

[baggeddakota]

idk im a pretty solid player....and im not blaming a rigged site. ive placed in the money anywhere from 6 handed to 180 top. and ive consistently done it. it might be me being a "fish" but i think im a pretty solid player i just have been getting a run of bad cards.

lets say it is me being a "fish" what could i do to constantly be a solid player and make the money no matter what cards i have??

thanks

[C8H10N4O2]

You've played 105 Sng's, and 25 MTT's. Hardly a sample size to qualify as "consistently." At no point in your full tilt history have you been runnin 80-90% final table, unless you are using a samply size of 1, so first off... stop having expectations that you can never obtain.

Secondly, read, read, read, read, read. Learn from other people's hand examples. Give an honest examination of how you would have played the hand, and compare how your version matches up to the player's version.

You also wouldn't be on a forum asking the questions you have if you were a very solid player. I say this because of your statement "i just have been getting a run of bad cards." Learn about variance, read more about the game, and you'll finding your own answers to "what could i do to constantly be a solid player?" This is a very very loaded question that doesn't have one single answer (unless you want me to answer by saying "play perfect poker"), and as a solid player you should know that.

[baggeddakota]

i guess your right....i cant base my beats on a couple of games. i just read books. and examples they have in books are all you have AA or you have AK how to play it.

they never give you a strategy for NEVER catching those cards (level 1 and 2) EVER in the whole tourney, until im forced to shove with Ax or Kx

do those sites that have question and answer, like full tilt sit n learn, kinda set you up for different situations?

[C8H10N4O2]

I don't know what books you read, but you should pick up a few that are higher quality than just telling you about AA or AK.

It seems to me that you really need to slow down and open your mind up a bit more about poker. There is a lot to be learned about this game, and you'll never be finished learning about it unless you just decide to become a fish and lose all the time. All you've played are the lower stakes, which is fine, but poker is a complex game. You have to constantly be adjusting to situations in front of you. It's about adaptation to exploit weaknesses. Most of the money you are going to make is going to be from other people's mistakes, so you need to learn how to capitalize off holes in other people's games.

There are tons of a bits of information for you to find out there, but one of the most useful things you can do is review your own hands. If you haven't already gotten tracking software, you should try poker tracker or hold'em manager. I prefer HM, but many people use PT. PT also has a 60 day free trial so take advantage of that. I'm not sure what full tilt's sit n learn offers, but there are sites out there offering strategy advice as well. You can learn from the presented situations, but you can learn more if you actively play poker. By active I mean, constantly be analyzing what is going on at the table, try to pick out what you would do in hands you aren't in, and try to establish how your opponents are all playing. Even when you are not in a hand, you should be focusing on the game in front of you.

[baggeddakota]

that makes sense. im playing as we speak and all of a sudden im catching good cards....

but anyway i read books like SS 1 and 2. HOH all 3. Moshmans SNG and online articles i find in forums.

[travz21]

Books are for donks. I'd recommend playing a ton instead. Learn through experience. Don't expect to win, but expect to learn loads more than reading. Try millions of different things out and evaluate which ones you think are the best way to play. I think this gives players a much, much better feel for the game over players who read way too many books. Patrik Antonius has said that he's never read a book. He's explained that everything he knows, he knows from trial and error. I would say he understands the game fairly well.

If you don't have the bankroll to mess around with trying lots of things, then I guess books will have to do.

[C8H10N4O2]

How many books have you read trav?

[travz21]

I read Harry Potter and Twilight. So like 10 books ever.

[C8H10N4O2]

Lol. Just curious. Antonius is one pro that hasn't read books, but several others have.
I just don't think it's a fair assessment to say books are for donks. Of course experience is going to teach you more than a book, but books are definitely an aid that can speed up how much you are able to get out of your experience.

Harry Potter was good, but I cannot bring myself to read Twilight.

[travz21]

I never actually read Twilight, I just wanted to get the point across that I read gay things instead of valuable poker books. Harry Potter I did read though, and I was impressed haha. Twilight seems like something I would read if I were actually gay, which I am not, yet.

I might have went over the top saying that books are for donks, but they pretty much are. So is experimenting while playing tons of hands. I just think that a lot of players at lower stakes is reading a book and then going out and playing exactly how they read. I think going in cold is definitely unprofitable for quite some time, but it's going to open your mind up to a lot more things.

Reading books does save you a lot of time and sweat and effort, but I'm not really sure it gives you the needed skills to be profitable in the early going either. It just gives you a guideline and you have to fill in the rest, which is fine.

Maybe right off the bat, to save a lot of explanation, I should have said that a combo of light reading and lots of playing would be the best. I apoligize.

[C8H10N4O2]

No need for apologizing. I was just wanting to voice my opinion that books can be useful. I by all means don't think people should read a book and follow the "forumla"/guidelines in the book to the letter and never deviate... but when starting out, I just think they can be helpful.

Lol, I know a few guys who read Twilight and a few of them enjoyed it. I was confused. I normally don't judge books by their movies either, but I went to see Twilight with this girl/only because of this girl, and I just don't ever understand how the plotline could even appeal to me. So I won't ever read the series. I don't think I would if I were gay either.