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  1. #1
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    Default AA cash game trouble, again

    Ok, I already know I played this hands bad, but if you guys look at the flop and the turn play, what do you think is the best way to get out of the hand?
    I figured he was on a set, I just donked my money away though because I played it poorly.



    Stage #1513925179: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2009-07-04 01:41:06 (ET)
    Table: RESSEL AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
    Seat 4 - VVEGA2001 ($74.05 in chips)
    Seat 6 - SILENT_AC3S ($40.05 in chips)
    Seat 1 - JEDIJACKS79 ($21.07 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ANOTHERPHIL ($20.35 in chips)
    Seat 3 - PERSNICK ($10 in chips)
    SILENT_AC3S - Posts small blind $0.10
    JEDIJACKS79 - Posts big blind $0.25
    PERSNICK - Posts dead $0.35 dead $0.10
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to SILENT_AC3S [Ad Ah]
    ANOTHERPHIL - Folds
    PERSNICK - Folds
    VVEGA2001 - Calls $0.25
    SILENT_AC3S - Raises $1.15 to $1.25
    JEDIJACKS79 - Folds
    VVEGA2001 - Calls $1
    *** FLOP *** [6c 10h 2h]
    SILENT_AC3S - Bets $2.50
    VVEGA2001 - Raises $6.75 to $6.75
    SILENT_AC3S - Calls $4.25
    *** TURN *** [6c 10h 2h] [Qd]
    SILENT_AC3S - Checks
    VVEGA2001 - Bets $16.60
    SILENT_AC3S - All-In(Raise) $32.05 to $32.05
    VVEGA2001 - Calls $15.45
    *** RIVER *** [6c 10h 2h Qd] [9c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    VVEGA2001 - Shows [6s 6h] (Three of a kind, sixes)
    SILENT_AC3S - Shows [Ad Ah] (One pair, aces)
    VVEGA2001 Collects $77.70 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($80.70) | Rake ($3)
    Board [6c 10h 2h Qd 9c]
    Seat 1: JEDIJACKS79 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: ANOTHERPHIL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: PERSNICK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 4: VVEGA2001 (dealer) won Total ($77.70) HI$77.70) with Three of a kind, sixes [6s 6h - P:6s,P:6h,B:6c,B:Qd,B:10h]
    Seat 6: SILENT_AC3S (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, aces [Ad Ah - P:Ah,P:Ad,B:Qd,B:10h,B:9c]

  2. #2
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    Looks like you did everything right. You raised pre-flop, you got called, you made a C-bet, that's good. Nothing on the board would have scared me off pocket aces there. I don't think you misplayed that hand at all.

    It's poker and sometimes you just have to go broke, nothing you can do in that situation. Better luck next time.

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    The SPR in this hand is 12.5, which is absolutely horrible against a good aggressive player when you have an over-pair. It becomes a question of, "Do you really think this other player is getting that much money in post-flop with a one-pair hand?"

    Does your opponent stack off here with J-J? What about A-Q? Or A-T? Would your opponent even call pre-flop with A-T? I mean, some of this is based on their image. But I'm assuming they're slightly more reasonable than that.

    This flop is insanely dry, especially because you have the A which dramatically reduces the chances the person is sitting there with a flush draw.

    6-T-2... and you get raised on the flop. At that point, I think he could be raising to get you off A-K with a hand like 9-Ts or J-J... but I don't think I like the call. I might even like to see a 3-bet here. In fact, if you pop it to $17 here... you really rule out anything that doesn't beat A-A. If you 3-bet the flop and he raises again, you can just let it go. You've lose $18.5 on the hand though. And losing almost 50% of your stack sucks.

    If you call on the flop, you've put in 20% of your starting stack. What is your commitment plan for the rest of this hand? What turns are you folding and what turns will you get it all-in with? What range do you put him on that you can profitably get all-in on the turn against?

    Is he calling the turn check-shove with J-J or A-Q? I'm betting he has you on a big pair here... maybe A-K or A-Q (which I doubt)... but still... if he calls that shove, what does he call with that you're ahead of?

    Do I go broke here with Aces? Maybe. I won't lie, I've been in a lot of similar situations and failed to recognize the trouble I was in. I'm getting a little better with it though.
    I get no respect. . . when I move all-in, people from other tables call.

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    This is wayyyyy too player dependent for me to make any kind of judgement. Against some players I would never stack off 160bb with AA on a dry flop, against others I'm fist-pumping here. I will comment that I think 3betting and folding to a shove is bad. You fold out his bluffs and one pair hands 100% of the time. Against an utter unknown my standard line would probably be call flop raise, call turn bet, and fold to a river bet a large majority of the time. Not many people have the balls to bluff 3 streets. I really can't even tell you how much this depends on opponent for me.

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    Yeah but then we're still putting in over half our stack and folding to a less than half-pot sized bet on the river. They might not be bluffing in that spot very often... but it's a sick spot to be folding regardless. I don't like putting over 70xBB into a pot that I'm just going to give up on for such a small bet on the river. That's another reason I am not fond of the reraise on the flop... altough I like it better than some things.

    This is just a horrible board to assume he's bluffing. If it was 9-Q-3 or something... yeah, it's easy to assume he's firing a bluff out there because there are a lot of hands that you beat that could rereaise as a semi-bluff. I don't know. Someone limping then calling a raise pre-flop... and going nuts on a nothing flop like that... it just sets tons of bells off in my head.

    Granted, we know what the guy had. If we didn't know, maybe I might think it's J-J or 9-9 or something like that here. But still... it's such a bad sign when someone reacts like this to a garbage flop.
    I get no respect. . . when I move all-in, people from other tables call.

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